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01-15-2012, 09:57 AM
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John Ferguson Jr. To Become CBJ GM

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../19245191.html

Been gaining steam and if it's true I'm a bit excited for CBJ. JFJ never really got a fair shake in Toronto since the old veterans on the team had him handicapped with their big contracts + NTC's and the ownership wanted playoffs now.

Good news is he is currently working as a scout for San Jose, given their drafting fortunes I'd say he'd help out CBJ quite a bit.

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Speculation at best.

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I got worried for a second, then I saw that the article was by Bruce Garrioch.

Thank god.

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I got worried for a second, then I saw that the article was by Bruce Garrioch.

Thank god.
Yeah, he's not the most rock-solid source around!

Worried? Would you be less pleased with Ferguson than Howson? Honest question, I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion, yet (I know, many would say that hasn't stopped me in the past!).

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I'm surprised that CBJ hasn't snapped up Preds AGM Paul Fenton...

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I got worried for a second, then I saw that the article was by Bruce Garrioch.

Thank god.
The thought of not being the worst team in the NHL must be horrifying.

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The Sharks are exactly the kind of franchise the CBJ should be trying to emulate. Even though he's just a scout, I wonder if he's learned anything about how their organization is run?


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I'm surprised that CBJ hasn't snapped up Preds AGM Paul Fenton...
He'd be another good option.

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Good news is he is currently working as a scout for San Jose, given their drafting fortunes I'd say he'd help out CBJ quite a bit.
JFJ is the Sharks' director of pro scouting, though.

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I'm surprised that CBJ hasn't snapped up Preds AGM Paul Fenton...
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If you want to build an organization the correct way as Nashville has, then this makes the most sense.

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If you want to build an organization the correct way as Nashville has, then this makes the most sense.
What's scary is they have done this as a budget team. Now that they seem to be willing to open the coffers it's going to get even scarier.

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The thought of not being the worst team in the NHL must be horrifying.
I know you love your washed up veterans but shouldn't our next GM have had at least a little bit of success in the NHL?

I mean, at least Howson made the playoffs once...

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What's scary is they have done this as a budget team. Now that they seem to be willing to open the coffers it's going to get even scarier.
They will certainly be a force. With that, they've built (AND DEVELOPED) through the draft and will be able to supplement now.

If we would have stuck with Dave King they way they've stuck with Trotz, we'd be a lot better off.

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Yeah, he's not the most rock-solid source around!

Worried? Would you be less pleased with Ferguson than Howson? Honest question, I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion, yet (I know, many would say that hasn't stopped me in the past!).
Ferguson was responsible for the first 3 crappy post-lockout seasons in Toronto in which he signed a bunch of over the hill UFAs. He also made it just about impossible to rebuild by giving NTCs to too many players who had no business having them, ensuring that the team would suck long after he left.

I want the next GM to have some previous experience as a big league GM, but his tenure as the Leafs GM was awful.

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Ferguson was responsible for the first 3 crappy post-lockout seasons in Toronto in which he signed a bunch of over the hill UFAs. He also made it just about impossible to rebuild by giving NTCs to too many players who had no business having them, ensuring that the team would suck long after he left.

I want the next GM to have some previous experience as a big league GM, but his tenure as the Leafs GM was awful.
It's all coming back to me now.

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Yeah, you want no part of JFJ

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This does not make sense anyway.

To bring a guy in now that has no knowledge of what the franchise is about, and needs, will not happen. If Howson is jettisoned Patrick will take over as GM, at least on an interim basis until one can be hired full time after the season is over.

With the trade deadline right around the corner, hiring a guy from the outside would be a bad move.

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Throwaway comment at the end of an article from a guy who still thinks Nash wants out? /ignore

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Any modicum of faith I have in the owners would be gone if Ferguson was brought in.

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Ferguson was responsible for the first 3 crappy post-lockout seasons in Toronto in which he signed a bunch of over the hill UFAs. He also made it just about impossible to rebuild by giving NTCs to too many players who had no business having them, ensuring that the team would suck long after he left.

I want the next GM to have some previous experience as a big league GM, but his tenure as the Leafs GM was awful.
As a small-market team, the Jackets' best hope of long-term viability is through drafting and trading.

Who would be better as a GM of a team with these parameters:
1) John Ferguson, Jr., whose trade record is spotty at best and whose draft record was horrid, or
2) Anyone else

Speaking of failed GMs, only 5 months and 2 weeks until Duvie Westcott is finally off the books!


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Sweet G-d almighty, folks are actually thinking JFJ would be an improvement?

You people scare the hell out of me. Really. Let's just go out and hire Mike Milbury while we're at it.


I'd go for Fenton, tho. Anything Preds is good by me.

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I'm definitely no expert, but I'd be really surprised if anyone other than Craig Patrick is named this team's GM in the offseason. Why else would a guy with that kind of credentials come to a franchise that's run so poorly? There has to be some kind of deal in place, IMO.

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Any modicum of faith I have in the owners would be gone if Ferguson was brought in.
What crap. You have no faith in the owners. Who are you kidding?


On topic I am with you on this point, JFJ would be a DOWNGRADE from Howson, if that's possible.

I think there are plenty of good choices and JFJ isn't one of them.

I'd like to see Dudley get some consideration among others.

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JFJ has an inexplicable fetish for goaltenders. Every third word out of his mouth while he was GM here was either "goalie' or "goaltender", if nothing else he's surprisingly good for comedic purposes.

It's not entirely inconceivable that he would somehow manage to build a roster of 23 mediocre goaltenders. And yet somehow fail to actually improve your goaltending.


JFJ did a pretty poor job here IMO, there wasn't much good at all that came of his tenure. If it's any encouragement, he was apparently under pretty strict orders to win immediately but even within those constraints it's hard to find much pleasant in his trades and UFA singings.

On the positive side, his drafting was pretty decent given where he was picking. His misses either being late enough to be hard to blame him or guys that were clearly the consensus choice at the time, and he had a few surprise picks that turned out well enough. How much of that is him, and how much the scouts is of course unknown.

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I'm definitely no expert, but I'd be really surprised if anyone other than Craig Patrick is named this team's GM in the offseason. Why else would a guy with that kind of credentials come to a franchise that's run so poorly? There has to be some kind of deal in place, IMO.
Would Patrick even want the job? He's 65 and not getting any younger. I'm not even sure I'd want him to be the GM; he made some pretty hinky deals with Pittsburgh. I would be happy if he were made interim GM for the rest of the season and then lead the search for a new GM in the offseason.

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