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View Poll Results: Which would you draft this upcoming summer?
Mikhail Grigorenko 53 42.40%
Nail Yakupov 54 43.20%
Other 18 14.40%
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01-14-2012, 09:00 PM
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We need Sam Pollock.
Hey Columbus, here's Plekanec for your 1st.

Hey Anaheim, uh... here's Cole for almost nothing. He'll help you save the season...

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01-15-2012, 04:29 AM
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5 pts out of 2nd last in the league.

You've really got to get into that bottom 2 if possible... Columbus is probably solid in last place, but 2nd would be nice

If not find every specialist you can to examine Galchenyuk's knee.


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01-15-2012, 06:15 AM
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The Habs have had the worst season for puck-luck,bad penalties,injuries and the horrendous scheduling at the exact time they need practice and a break.The only good luck they have are the ever faithful fans that are with them win or lose.Carey Price played great last night and definitely deserved better,Plekanec played the same and gets tagged for the highstick.Josh Gorges the same but sends two pucks over the boards,again one of the top PK's on the team.It's just unfortunate but over a century where the Habs have had great puck-luck sooner or later it evens out.I guess it's their turn at the bottom and the lifelong fans (57 yrs.) can cheer them on through these times once again.No longer than two years before the troops coming up from the Colleges,CHL and Europe will join the team. If Gauthier continues to draw rabbits out of his hat like Diaz, Eller,Emelin,Tinordi,Cole,Beaulieu and now Bourque the Habs will be a force once again and not one that gets pushed around either.The next two drafts should be sufficient to supply the farm system with more great talent and bring back the strength of Championship teams,their depth at all positions.Grigorenko,Frk,Nieves,Girgensons,Gaunce Rinehart Ceci and these types are needed over the next two seasons.Three each year isn't too much to ask,Edmonton has been doing it since Gretzky left and don't get me going about Toronto.

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01-15-2012, 09:34 AM
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Some speculation here that Edmonton would take Murray over Grigorenko: http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/01/the-...012-draft.html

I wonder if some other lottery teams would also consider this? I'm thinking the Islanders? Maybe Grigorenko is not such a pipe dream for the Habs?

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01-15-2012, 10:06 AM
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Some speculation here that Edmonton would take Murray over Grigorenko: http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/01/the-...012-draft.html

I wonder if some other lottery teams would also consider this? I'm thinking the Islanders? Maybe Grigorenko is not such a pipe dream for the Habs?
I'm not sure the Oilers would draft for needs, but at the same time, they really need potential franchise D (Murray MIGHT have that potential), after all those forwards drafted in the last years.

As for our position, who knows, both the Islanders and Tampa could catch us, so we'd fall further... Rangers tonight ? Yikes...

We could soon be bottom 5...

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01-15-2012, 10:12 AM
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Some speculation here that Edmonton would take Murray over Grigorenko: http://lowetide.ca/blog/2012/01/the-...012-draft.html

I wonder if some other lottery teams would also consider this? I'm thinking the Islanders? Maybe Grigorenko is not such a pipe dream for the Habs?
We've talked about this before, but Edmonton will hope to pick a premier D-man in Murray or Dumba because they sorely need that, but I don't think they will pass over either Russian.

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01-15-2012, 10:30 AM
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We've talked about this before, but Edmonton will hope to pick a premier D-man in Murray or Dumba because they sorely need that, but I don't think they will pass over either Russian.
Yup, I've been following the discussion, I just thought it was interesting to bring in an Edmontonian's point of view. I didn't know that the Oilers have been avoiding Russians, and I hadn't considered NHL readyness as a priority for them.

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Defencemen are quite often the harder to predict three to four years from when they are chosen.This years draft have at least ten that could be a franchise defenceman, glad I don't have that decision to make.Ceci could end up being the best who knows or maybe Rinehart.It will make life easier for the Habs if they choose 2nd overall with three teams that need defencemen more than any other player,possibly trading down a spot for a 2nd round pick a couple of times,stranger things have happened at drafts for sure.The Rangers giving Quebec a 1st round pick for coach Michel Bergeron for one.Gauthier needs to position his team well for the draft,I'm sure the Cammalleri trade was the curtain call for this years playoff hopes.

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01-15-2012, 12:18 PM
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Just because Edmonton wants a D doesn't mean they'd burn the 2nd pick on it.

Should that scenario go down, watch them trade down a spot or 2.

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Yup, I've been following the discussion, I just thought it was interesting to bring in an Edmontonian's point of view. I didn't know that the Oilers have been avoiding Russians, and I hadn't considered NHL readyness as a priority for them.
Well they're quite happy with Marincin and Klefbom (whom I wanted to draft badly), but they still need a top pairing guy and tbh he needs to be in the same age group as their prized trio. I don't think they'll pass on them just because their Russians. Even Columbus would be stupid to do so. Worst case for them is that they trade that pick and someone else picks one of them.

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Just because Edmonton wants a D doesn't mean they'd burn the 2nd pick on it.

Should that scenario go down, watch them trade down a spot or 2.
Trades that high in the draft rarely happen, but that could actually interest Montreal too, especially now that we have an extra 2nd in 2013, and should be adding more picks.

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Well they're quite happy with Marincin and Klefbom (whom I wanted to draft badly), but they still need a top pairing guy and tbh he needs to be in the same age group as their prized trio. I don't think they'll pass on them just because their Russians. Even Columbus would be stupid to do so. Worst case for them is that they trade that pick and someone else picks one of them.
I was also keen on Klefbom last season. Looks like he's developing well this season.

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lets be real there is absolutely no way anyone will pass over yakupov or grigorenko for a D. it's BPA and it's clear who the top 2 are than it's probably forsberg galcchenyuk and murray.

also Edmonton took 4 defenseman last year in the draft 1 in the first and 1 in the second and 2 in later rounds. if they land out of the top 3 they'll take a D.

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lets be real there is absolutely no way anyone will pass over yakupov or grigorenko for a D. it's BPA and it's clear who the top 2 are than it's probably forsberg galcchenyuk and murray.

also Edmonton took 4 defenseman last year in the draft 1 in the first and 1 in the second and 2 in later rounds. if they land out of the top 3 they'll take a D.
I haven't seen Galchenyuk ranked that high anywhere else. ISS even has him down at #18. RLR ranks him at #9, McKeen's at #6.

Anyway, we've seen from past drafts that teams can have very different lists from each other, and from public consensus.


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I was looking through the list of top goaltenders in the league and it is amazing how many were drafted in the very late rounds including Lundqvist, Rinnne, Kiprusoff and Thomas. It seems that picking a goaltender is a crap shoot and I don't want to see the team waste a pick before about the 5th round if they are looking at drafting a goaltender.

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Trades that high in the draft rarely happen, but that could actually interest Montreal too, especially now that we have an extra 2nd in 2013, and should be adding more picks.
Yes, I'm sure the 3rd or 4th team in the draft won't be willing to shell out some picks to get Grigorenko.

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Just because Edmonton wants a D doesn't mean they'd burn the 2nd pick on it.

Should that scenario go down, watch them trade down a spot or 2.
Could definively see it happen.. They really need to draft an elite defenseman talent..

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I haven't seen Galchenyuk ranked that high anywhere else. ISS even has him down at #18.
he's falling in these rankings because he has had surgery and didn't play this year so far, a lot of these scouts haven't had good veiwing of him. all i know is he is super skilled and if someone gets him out of the top 10 its probably going to be a steal.

it's to early to tell i admit myself especially because there's loads of time for climbers to some in but he is easily a top 10 pic.

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Yes, I'm sure the 3rd or 4th team in the draft won't be willing to shell out some picks to get Grigorenko.
Are you being sarcastic? If so, let me clarify - I'm acknowledging that the trade is possible, and Montreal is a team that could potentially be interested in trading up for Grigorenko. It's definitely worth thinking about.

I'm also stating that the #2 overall pick is rarely traded. That's just a fact. Every year, there is a team that goes off the board in the top 10. The team's fans invariably say they wish the team had traded down to get that player. The Thomas Hickey pick is an extreme example. I'm guessing that the problem is a combination of 2 teams finding it difficult to establish fair value for such a high pick, and teams not wanting to allow for their target to maybe be taken if they trade down more than 1 spot.

But, the possibility is still intriguing.

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Are you being sarcastic? If so, let me clarify - I'm acknowledging that the trade is possible, and Montreal is a team that could potentially be interested in trading up for Grigorenko. It's definitely worth thinking about.

I'm also stating that the #2 overall pick is rarely traded. That's just a fact. Every year, there is a team that goes off the board in the top 10. The team's fans invariably say they wish the team had traded down to get that player. The Thomas Hickey pick is an extreme example. I'm guessing that the problem is a combination of 2 teams finding it difficult to establish fair value for such a high pick, and teams not wanting to allow for their target to maybe be taken if they trade down more than 1 spot.

But, the possibility is still intriguing.
the 1 team always want a crazy amount for it. edmonton asked Ottawa for Karlsson for 1st overall pic. obviously was declined and they have the Nuge.

the team with the pic always wants tooooo much for it.

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he's falling in these rankings because he has had surgery and didn't play this year so far, a lot of these scouts haven't had good veiwing of him. all i know is he is super skilled and if someone gets him out of the top 10 its probably going to be a steal.

it's to early to tell i admit myself especially because there's loads of time for climbers to some in but he is easily a top 10 pic.
Agreed

Galchenyuk was a consensus top 5 pick before his injury.

His injury and the amount of time he'll miss is basically the same as Brett Connolly 2 years ago.

Connolly still went top 10.

I think Galchenyuk will too.

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Are you being sarcastic? If so, let me clarify - I'm acknowledging that the trade is possible, and Montreal is a team that could potentially be interested in trading up for Grigorenko. It's definitely worth thinking about.

I'm also stating that the #2 overall pick is rarely traded. That's just a fact. Every year, there is a team that goes off the board in the top 10. The team's fans invariably say they wish the team had traded down to get that player. The Thomas Hickey pick is an extreme example. I'm guessing that the problem is a combination of 2 teams finding it difficult to establish fair value for such a high pick, and teams not wanting to allow for their target to maybe be taken if they trade down more than 1 spot.

But, the possibility is still intriguing.
While its true that these picks are rarely traded, it does still happen from time to time. And when it does its usually a trade that only moves a team down 1 or 2 spots.

See 1999... trades involving the Sedin picks
See 2002.... rick Nash.
see 2003..... Marc Andre Fleury

All of these involved a top 2 pick and the trade down was usually 1 or 2 spots.

So it has happened, though those were all 9, 10, 13 years ago now.


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For those of you who've followed the progression of these players, who would you say are comparables to Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk?

So far, best case scenario, I keep seeing comparisons to Pavel Bure and Gino Malkin. Any other comparables? Doesn't necessarily have to be Russian.

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For those of you who've followed the progression of these players, who would you say are comparables to Yakupov, Grigorenko, and Galchenyuk?

So far, best case scenario, I keep seeing comparisons to Pavel Bure and Gino Malkin. Any other comparables? Doesn't necessarily have to be Russian.
Yakupov is not that fast. He's like P. Kane imo. Shifty more than speed demon (Bure). Laser shot too.

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I've heard galchenyuk compared to Marian hossa and evgeni malkin.

I've heard yakupov compared to a Bure/Datsyuk.


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Yakupov is not that fast. He's like P. Kane imo. Shifty more than speed demon (Bure). Laser shot too.
I get the Kane comparisons, but he's a lot more gritty. Not that I'd ever complain about having a Kane clone, but Kane is charmin soft, Yakupov is anything but.

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I would take Gaunce over Girgensons IMO. Gaunce will be NHL ready sooner and will fit in well with us. Girgensons is going the college route and will be in the NHL in 4 years. We need an impact NHL prospect in the next 2 years.

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