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01-16-2012, 06:31 PM
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Remember those people who said Blunden was useless and shouldn't be where he is ?

Good times.

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01-16-2012, 06:49 PM
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Disagreeing with his criticism and talking about inside info is two different things.

Saying that he's heard of Cammalleri's attitude is different from saying on one day "Martin is smart for benching Laraque because he's been useless" and then the next day go on the radio and say "Martin is a bad coach for having benched Laraque because Jassen ran Price" is two different things. I hate McGuire for the latter, always flip flopping his opinion.

Also, his info has overlapped with that of McKenzie, Damphousse, Brunet who all said the exact same thing of Cammalleri.
Add Marc Antoine Godin to the list.

Here's an excerp of what MAG had to say about the trade this morning, citing an anonymous NHL scout:

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Un échange avantageux?

La poussière retombe sur l'échange qui a envoyé Michael Cammalleri à Calgary et, après les réactions initiales du Canada anglais qui donnaient l'avantage aux Flames, des voix se font entendre pour saluer le travail de Pierre Gauthier dans ce dossier.

«Bien honnêtement, je ne pensais pas que le Canadien obtiendrait autant en retour de Cammalleri, nous a confié un dépisteur ayant requis l'anonymat. On était au courant de ses problèmes, de sa réputation de joueur égoïste et de son salaire. Il n'intéressait pas notre équipe. Je me disais que le Canadien ne réussirait qu'à aller chercher un choix, ou alors seulement un joueur.»

En revanche, ajoute ce dépisteur, l'équipe pour laquelle il travaille avait Rene Bourque à l'oeil.

«Il a un bon gabarit et l'on voit que ce n'est pas un peureux. C'est vrai qu'il ne se présente pas à tous les soirs, mais à ce compte-là, Cammalleri non plus. Ni Kostitsyn. Mais c'est là où l'entraîneur doit aller chercher le meilleur de ses joueurs.»

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01-16-2012, 06:59 PM
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Remember those people who said Blunden was useless and shouldn't be where he is ?

Good times.
He's been a good addition. Big guy, few hits. We are slowly adding size to this team.

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01-16-2012, 07:28 PM
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Remember those people who said Blunden was useless and shouldn't be where he is ?
He still shouldn't be anywhere but the fourth line.

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01-16-2012, 07:39 PM
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He still shouldn't be anywhere but the fourth line.
Gomez's a fourth liner

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01-16-2012, 07:53 PM
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Remember those people who said Blunden was useless and shouldn't be where he is ?

Good times.
Are you referring to Jacques Martin

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01-16-2012, 08:00 PM
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Once White return Montreal will have one Hell of a Physical Lineup.....


Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Kostitsyn Plekanec Bourque
White Eller Moen
Blunden Gomez Darche

Only Desharnais and Gomez are under 6' and less then 200lbs
The rest all tip the scales over 6'0 and at least 200lbs, they have very good speed and play a physical game.

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01-16-2012, 08:02 PM
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Gomez's a fourth liner
In Randy's world, Plekanec is a third-liner, and Blunden is a third-liner.

So... yeah.

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01-16-2012, 08:51 PM
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Why would it? If Pleks' offense to defense distribution is 5 to 10 and DD's is 10 to 5, the ratio between the two will be the same regardless of whether there's zero, five, ten, or one million neutral zone faceoffs.



The differential in zone starts reflect directly on puck possession and, from there, on scoring chances and goals.

Besides, doesn't it intuitively make sense that starting in the defensive zone a lot is harder than starting in the offensive zone a lot?
The reason why I think that a full accounting (all 3 zones) of faceoffs is valuable is that the differential between two players measured only in terms of offensive and defensive faceoffs makes the differential appear to be more significant than it is. Face offs in the neutral zones are significant in number and should be part of any equation which really attempts to show overall faceoff statistics.

Sure, it makes more sense about the difficulty in starting in the defensive zone. That's another reason why throwing out the neutral zones give a disproportionate overall impression of the overall nature of each player's faceoffs when compared using only the two zones.

I'm not sold on how puck possession is determined. Seems to me that the great Russian teams of the 70s and 80s-who really did specialize in puck possession in it's truest form (holding on to the puck forever before shooting!)-wouldn't fare too well in the manner in which it appears to me to be calculated by the Corsi methodology.


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01-16-2012, 09:12 PM
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Once White return Montreal will have one Hell of a Physical Lineup.....


Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Kostitsyn Plekanec Bourque
White Eller Moen
Blunden Gomez Darche

Only Desharnais and Gomez are under 6' and less then 200lbs
The rest all tip the scales over 6'0 and at least 200lbs, they have very good speed and play a physical game.
I don't think Ryan White is a huge improvement over Blunden.

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01-16-2012, 09:17 PM
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Once White return Montreal will have one Hell of a Physical Lineup.....


Pacioretty Desharnais Cole
Kostitsyn Plekanec Bourque
White Eller Moen
Blunden Gomez Darche

Only Desharnais and Gomez are under 6' and less then 200lbs
The rest all tip the scales over 6'0 and at least 200lbs, they have very good speed and play a physical game.
Gomez in White's spot to form a good two-way third line with offensive capabilities. Nokelainen centres the fourth line. and White, Blunden, and Darche battle it out for the wings.

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01-16-2012, 09:26 PM
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I don't think Ryan White is a huge improvement over Blunden.
Depending on how he is after being on the shelf for so long. If he's like last year then he most certainly is.

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I don't think Ryan White is a huge improvement over Blunden.
White is an improvement over Darche though, White and Blunden should both be in the lineup over Darche.

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White is an improvement over Darche though, White and Blunden should both be in the lineup over Darche.
I would agree with this.

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01-16-2012, 09:56 PM
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Patches DD Cole
AK Eller Bourque
Gomez Plek Gionta
Moen White Blunden

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01-17-2012, 05:42 AM
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He still shouldn't be anywhere but the fourth line.
Agreed, he's look good particularly because RC is throwing him in our face way too often.

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01-17-2012, 09:22 AM
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The reason why I think that a full accounting (all 3 zones) of faceoffs is valuable is that the differential between two players measured only in terms of offensive and defensive faceoffs makes the differential appear to be more significant than it is.
Including neutral zone faceoffs would push both sides away. So a 43% O-zone start might become 32%, but that 57% D-zone start would become 45% or thereabouts -- leaving the gap largely the same. In terms of how it ends up affecting puck possession it would be largely the same.

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I'm not sold on how puck possession is determined. Seems to me that the great Russian teams of the 70s and 80s-who really did specialize in puck possession in it's truest form (holding on to the puck forever before shooting!)-wouldn't fare too well in the manner in which it appears to me to be calculated by the Corsi methodology.
Except that as long as they held the puck, the opponents wouldn't be shooting either. So their Corsi ratio would remain positive from that sequence as they would, eventually, end up shooting and their opponents wouldn't.

It is worth bringing up, however, that the game in that era was very different than what we see today, and the conclusions of today may not entirely apply to the hockey played back then. Nor would it apply to lower-level hockey, especially without much parity, such as say juniors (including the World Juniors). Corsi and the like are designed to evaluate the modern, post-lockout NHL.

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