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01-17-2012, 02:56 PM
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Bobby Holik on Subban

An interesting read.

http://holikonhockey.com/bobby-blog/pk-subban/

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I agree 100% with Bobby Holik

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PK has all the tools to be an elite blueliner in this league. I'm looking forward to watching him develop.

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Great read indeed! Subban's in montreal to stay wether you like him or not. I can't believe some comments made by our very own fanbase about him....22 yold physical and skilled dman are something every team in the league need. Can't imagine how the guy will look when he hits his prime (26-27 yold)...but hey who cares? Let's trade him for picks and unproven players, we might be able to draft a yound D with top pairing potential and strong personality, uh oh wait....?

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Fantastic article by Mr. Holik. Agreed 100%.

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good read

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Even Dany Dube said that the talks of trading Subban were completely idiotic. I've never heard him rant about something so passionately.

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Holik writes better and has a more formulated opinion than most of the media hacks that we're forced to endure constantly.

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yup...

the key part of the article though, is how Holik viewed his organization and their support of him at the time.

I wonder, if PK would describe the habs (under Martin or RC) the same way?

I seriously doubt it...

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01-17-2012, 03:09 PM
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22 years old, plays 25 mins a game against every other teams top line, and deals with the media circus in Montreal. How many players in the league have statistics comparable to that?

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22 years old, plays 25 mins a game against every other teams top line, and deals with the media circus in Montreal. How many players in the league have statistics comparable to that?
Larry Robinson

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22 years old, plays 25 mins a game against every other teams top line, and deals with the media circus in Montreal. How many players in the league have statistics comparable to that?
He has a sophomore slump and a strong outgoing personality. Big deal. There's so much raw talent there. Considering trading him is dumb...

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I would put PK on my untradeable list right behind Price.

IMO he will be a big part of our long term success.

Holik's article was a very good read.

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PK is having a bad year, but next year...he will be AMAZING

book it!

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yup...

the key part of the article though, is how Holik viewed his organization and their support of him at the time.

I wonder, if PK would describe the habs (under Martin or RC) the same way?

I seriously doubt it...
Does your tune ever change? How is PK being given 25min a night a bad thing?

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PK is having a bad year, but next year...he will be AMAZING

book it!
Except that he's not having a bad year.

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Larry Robinson
Larry was my childhood idol. Without question my favorite Hab of all time.

But... the two situations do not compare well.

Larry played for a Stanley Cup contender.
Larry had a few good D's on his team.
Larry had a few hall of fame vets on the team.
Larry had 4 reporters a game asking him questions, and 60 minutes of TV a week focussed on him.
Larry had solid and stable coaching.

PK... let's say those variables are not the same.

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He's the opposite of other struggling players. It's not that he's not doing enough, it's that he's doing too much.

Time is the best remedy for tweaking his game...
-Shortening his slap shot wind up
-Not telegraphing his plays
-Attempting drop passes and fancy plays in the offensive zone only
-Jumping in the rush under the right set of circumstances
-Not trying to do everything himself when we're down a goal
...

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What's astounding is that it takes a former player from another organization to say or write something in defence of our stud Dman. No one from the Habs - not Gainey, not Gauthier, not Molson nor Gionta - has the sack to stand behind this splendid, young player.
Guide him, develop him and stand up for him and the kid will bleed for this team!

Thanks, Bobby Holik for being a real hockey man who makes real hockey observations!

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Except that he's not having a bad year.
Thank you. Others don't seem to see it that way but at least I know some folks actually watch the games and understand player utilization and development.

PK is CLEARLY being asked to do too much defensively. He plays 25 minutes a night and he hasn't been making nearly as many risky plays (offense 90% of the time when he does, or a big hit) this year.

Why? Because he's been asked to be a guy who leads by example and is pretty much playing a veterans role in his 2nd NHL season. People need to realize if PK was insulated with some other tough minutes crunching D he'd be hitting more, would have more time on attack rather than D and thus, better numbers. Then people wouldn't worry about the mistakes he makes (few for a guy playing so much) and would just focus on the numbers like they always do.

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Larry was my childhood idol. Without question my favorite Hab of all time.

But... the two situations do not compare well.

Larry played for a Stanley Cup contender.
Larry had a few good D's on his team.
Larry had a few hall of fame vets on the team.
Larry had 4 reporters a game asking him questions, and 60 minutes of TV a week focussed on him.
Larry had solid and stable coaching.

PK... let's say those variables are not the same.
Oh I know, but he's the only blue liner we've drafted that was having 25 mins a game @ 22 that I could think of

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Larry was my childhood idol. Without question my favorite Hab of all time.

But... the two situations do not compare well.

Larry played for a Stanley Cup contender.
Larry had a few good D's on his team.
Larry had a few hall of fame vets on the team.
Larry had 4 reporters a game asking him questions, and 60 minutes of TV a week focussed on him.
Larry had solid and stable coaching.

PK... let's say those variables are not the same.
Larry could defend himself and his team mates.

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Does your tune ever change? How is PK being given 25min a night a bad thing?
about as often as yours does...


athletes have long memories. PK was clearly upset by his benching shortly after RC took over, it's the kind of thing that can sit in the back of the mind of a player for a long time when they feel it was unjustified/embarrassing, as PK clearly did.

it doesn't/won't stop him from playing the way he plays or being who he is, but as far as feeling "supported" by the coach, or feeling that the coach gets him and wants him to succeed (as opposed to wanting to save his own bacon).

people may want to assume that athletes (or the average person) acts and thinks rationally at all times, but the growing research shows that this is far from the truth (regardless of how stubbornly modern economists cling to that notion).

a perceived slight can last a long time.

i'm simply speculating that it is quite possible, given how he has been handled by the 2 HC's he's had in montreal (and given the personality and behavior of the GM towards all the players), that he doesn't feel as supported as Holik described his own treatment/feelings under Robinson/Lemaire.


If you're able to come across anything about Hitchcock, and his evolving approach to dealing with athletes, or any of the various articles on Boucher and his reputation among players he's coached, you can see a clear distinction from the way our team has been handled (more so under JM than under RC, in RC's case the small timeframe he's been in charge hasn't provided nearly as many "views" into how the players are treated & responding to him... other than Cammy's little outburst (of which I interpreted as being his own issues, not the coaches... i guess I do "change my tune" sometimes ).

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Larry could defend himself and his team mates.
Larry also had red hair. And a bus ticket cost $.10 at the time.

I think their abilities/personalities and situations are not the same.

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Oh I know, but he's the only blue liner we've drafted that was having 25 mins a game @ 22 that I could think of
Maybe Chelios. But I get you.

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