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01-17-2012, 05:07 PM
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Value of Artem Anisimov to LAK

Not proposing anything, remains a fan favorite; just looking for feedback from a couple of teams.

Do not expect MASSIVE overpayment.

Expect real and genuine overpayment.

Feel free to add players, assets both sides.

Just to give idea:

Anisimov + X + NYR 2nds 2012, 2013
for
Y + LAK 1sts 2012, 2013
Martinez could be a sweetener.

Thanks for the feedback....

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doesnt he play C

How much for Fedo or Cally

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Thanks man, but no thanks. A reliable scoring winger is what is missing here.

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i dont know much about the guy, but if im a GM, im not giving up 2 first round picks for a guy who only has 7 goals. Plus the kings are already full at center between Kopitar, Richards, Stoll, Loktionov, Fraser, Lewis, and Richardson. I dont think a deal revolving around this guy will ever get done here in LA

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Not proposing anything, remains a fan favorite; just looking for feedback from a couple of teams.

Do not expect MASSIVE overpayment.

Expect real and genuine overpayment.

Feel free to add players, assets both sides.

Just to give idea:

Anisimov + X + NYR 2nds 2012, 2013
for
Y + LAK 1sts 2012, 2013
Martinez could be a sweetener.

Thanks for the feedback....

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Based on his production so far and what he is on pace to do this year (43/44points) forgive me if I seem a bit smarmy but you *are* asking for an awful lot for him. He is a very good young player but he has yet to produce enough to warrant a single first round pick in return.

I like his play allot but we have Loktionov, Lewis and Vey all solid young centers so the motivation to pick him up is less then it would be from a team who needs another young center.

That said throw the picks out, they are completely useless in this deal for us.

Martinez is an excellent young PMD who has 2nd pairing PP QB written all over him and for us the add from our rostered players would be along the lines of Richardson or Lewis. Both players who play all over the ice and are young and excellent in their own end.

AMartinez
+
Trevor Lewis or Richardson

For

Anisimov
+ a (3rd in this years draft).

If you prefer to add a prospect in we could amend the offer to be

A Mart
+
Hickey

For

Anisimov
+
3 in 12.

I am just not as familiar with NYR prospects as I would like to be so the pick is in leu of a slightly better than average prospect but nothing top shelf.


You would likely do better going with another team.

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two 1st rounders......hell no. there are are only a handful of guys out there that command that kind of return and Artem isn't one of them. sorry

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The value lies somewhere between the original poster and TG's offers. Closer to TG's, especially to the Kings. LA has Kopitar and Richards down the middle, signed for the next five years. Why would they want AA?

He'd be really nice to have, but more of a luxury at this point. LA is in no dire need to add him.

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01-18-2012, 12:25 PM
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The value lies somewhere between the original poster and TG's offers. Closer to TG's, especially to the Kings. LA has Kopitar and Richards down the middle, signed for the next five years. Why would they want AA?

He'd be really nice to have, but more of a luxury at this point. LA is in no dire need to add him.
Acknowledge Kings depth at C, and at D, now sure about where you're at on Ws.

AA has subordinated his game, lately is part of GAS line but as LW to Gaborik on RW + Stepan at C; apparently he was better at the W than Stepan, not that AA was deficient in his C game.

With that in mind, thought he might have appeal as a W.
Again, don't see him moved, just opening up discussion.

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Based on his production so far and what he is on pace to do this year (43/44points) forgive me if I seem a bit smarmy but you *are* asking for an awful lot for him. He is a very good young player but he has yet to produce enough to warrant a single first round pick in return.

I like his play allot but we have Loktionov, Lewis and Vey all solid young centers so the motivation to pick him up is less then it would be from a team who needs another young center.

That said throw the picks out, they are completely useless in this deal for us.

Martinez is an excellent young PMD who has 2nd pairing PP QB written all over him and for us the add from our rostered players would be along the lines of Richardson or Lewis. Both players who play all over the ice and are young and excellent in their own end.

AMartinez
+
Trevor Lewis or Richardson

For

Anisimov
+ a (3rd in this years draft).

If you prefer to add a prospect in we could amend the offer to be

A Mart
+
Hickey

For

Anisimov
+
3 in 12.

I am just not as familiar with NYR prospects as I would like to be so the pick is in leu of a slightly better than average prospect but nothing top shelf.


You would likely do better going with another team.
Sign me up here.

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i dont know much about the guy, but if im a GM, im not giving up 2 first round picks for a guy who only has 7 goals. Plus the kings are already full at center between Kopitar, Richards, Stoll, Loktionov, Fraser, Lewis, and Richardson. I dont think a deal revolving around this guy will ever get done here in LA
You' re right as to not a fit at C. As in my prior post, thought he could have value as a LW given success in GAS line but again, just looking to get input.

Would not take less in value than the a mid 1st for him, otherwise is already productive, will happily keep. Since Kings should do well enough to draft late, then 2 1sts are in order, but you deserve something going back as well, hence 2 2nds to offset any overage on the additional first.

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doesnt he play C

How much for Fedo or Cally
Cally is our captain, sorry no go.
Fedotenko is serviceable, hard working, not star quality but has productive track record.

What do I add with Feds to get Martinez?

Rangers have a highly touted boom bust guy in Christian Thomas, already scored 50 last season in minors. Has superior speed, shot, smarts. Is a bit small. Could be next Marty St. Louis. Could need 2 years of protein shakes to build up muscle for NHL. But maybe the young sniper you are looking for reasonably (but not a giveaway --- he has already had a 50g season on his resume!).

Fedotenko + Thomas + X for Martinez + Y

maybe take out X and Y, Rangers add a 4th, Kings add a 2nd, both 2012?

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Hi

Based on his production so far and what he is on pace to do this year (43/44points) forgive me if I seem a bit smarmy but you *are* asking for an awful lot for him. He is a very good young player but he has yet to produce enough to warrant a single first round pick in return.

I like his play allot but we have Loktionov, Lewis and Vey all solid young centers so the motivation to pick him up is less then it would be from a team who needs another young center.

That said throw the picks out, they are completely useless in this deal for us.

Martinez is an excellent young PMD who has 2nd pairing PP QB written all over him and for us the add from our rostered players would be along the lines of Richardson or Lewis. Both players who play all over the ice and are young and excellent in their own end.

AMartinez
+
Trevor Lewis or Richardson

For

Anisimov
+ a (3rd in this years draft).

If you prefer to add a prospect in we could amend the offer to be

A Mart
+
Hickey

For

Anisimov
+
3 in 12.

I am just not as familiar with NYR prospects as I would like to be so the pick is in leu of a slightly better than average prospect but nothing top shelf.


You would likely do better going with another team.
Thanks, great post.
Did say I wanted overpayment, and did offer 2 2nds also.
Disagree, not worth even a 1st. Worth a mid 1st rounder all by himself, adding two 2s to offset additional 1st sought.

However, did want some dialogue.
Will continue to field offers.

Think there may be something with Feds, a successful postseason performer, and Thomas as a possible sniper for you guys + maybe X, for Martinez + Y.

Variations on a theme?

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I like AA but he doesnt fill a need on our team.

I would be interested in Dubinsky though. He is a big body who plays all three forward positions and can play anywhere in the top 9. I would like a guy like this as he is similar to a 6th man in basketball, he is not the creme of the crop, but he can fill in for injuries in an offensive role and produce, he can play defence, he hits and he can cycle.

He has some Cons like a 4 mil a year contract and he is streaky and snakebit this year, but a fresh start could do wonders a la Chris Stewart last year.

Would NYR be interested in Greene and Richardson/Lewis/pick for him?

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Thanks, great post.
Did say I wanted overpayment, and did offer 2 2nds also.
Disagree, not worth even a 1st. Worth a mid 1st rounder all by himself, adding two 2s to offset additional 1st sought.

However, did want some dialogue.
Will continue to field offers.

Think there may be something with Feds, a successful postseason performer, and Thomas as a possible sniper for you guys + maybe X, for Martinez + Y.

Variations on a theme?
Martinez for Thomas

I'd do that, even though martinez has already succeeded in the nhl, we need forward prospects. I wouldn't be interested in trading any 1sts. BTW I don't think we have a 2nd this year.

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Acknowledge Kings depth at C, and at D, now sure about where you're at on Ws.

AA has subordinated his game, lately is part of GAS line but as LW to Gaborik on RW + Stepan at C; apparently he was better at the W than Stepan, not that AA was deficient in his C game.

With that in mind, thought he might have appeal as a W.
Again, don't see him moved, just opening up discussion.
He would have more use on the wing, but we need either a true goalscorer or a solid 3rd liner.

AA is not a true goalscorer, and if the price for him on our third line is 2 1sts (even with 2 2nds coming back) I'd rather pass.

A 1st for AA and a 2nd I could stomach, depending on how management actually thinks of how he'd play out on the wing. His size would be welcome there.

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I like AA but he doesnt fill a need on our team.

I would be interested in Dubinsky though. He is a big body who plays all three forward positions and can play anywhere in the top 9. I would like a guy like this as he is similar to a 6th man in basketball, he is not the creme of the crop, but he can fill in for injuries in an offensive role and produce, he can play defence, he hits and he can cycle.

He has some Cons like a 4 mil a year contract and he is streaky and snakebit this year, but a fresh start could do wonders a la Chris Stewart last year.

Would NYR be interested in Greene and Richardson/Lewis/pick for him?
This. If there ever was a 3rd line guy I'd be willing to give $4 million, it'd be him. He's like Richards-lite, and should be able to post better numbers than he is this year.

It'd cost us more than Greene and a depth guy/pick though, unless NYR had a deal going and needed to shed some salary. Even then, Slats could likely find a better deal than that.

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Thanks, great post.
Did say I wanted overpayment, and did offer 2 2nds also.
Disagree, not worth even a 1st. Worth a mid 1st rounder all by himself, adding two 2s to offset additional 1st sought.

However, did want some dialogue.
Will continue to field offers.

Think there may be something with Feds, a successful postseason performer, and Thomas as a possible sniper for you guys + maybe X, for Martinez + Y.

Variations on a theme?
After more involved thought I think you are absolutely right in saying that Anisimov is worth a mid 1st and would even amend that to saying that he is worth a 12 overall and beyond pick. Like I said, I like his game.

Depending on the X's and Y's absolutely. I would hate to move A Mart because he is just so solid at everything he does and not yet in his prime to boot but we are too deep to keep him *and* everyone else.

I like Thomas allot but before I would discuss another deal, are you open to the idea of moving Kreidler? I would do a Thomas+Kreadler for A Mart + Forbort and whatever other ancillary pieces need to happen (if any). Any interest?

Chris K is a kid I spent allot of time around and believe his upside has yet to be close to being established, the same goes with Forbort. Thomas and A Mart have differing values but to me it is a case of horses for courses. We both have needs that can be filled with equal players each of which address any discrepancies in value when viewed as a whole.

Just curious.

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After more involved thought I think you are absolutely right in saying that Anisimov is worth a mid 1st and would even amend that to saying that he is worth a 12 overall and beyond pick. Like I said, I like his game.

Depending on the X's and Y's absolutely. I would hate to move A Mart because he is just so solid at everything he does and not yet in his prime to boot but we are too deep to keep him *and* everyone else.

I like Thomas allot but before I would discuss another deal, are you open to the idea of moving Kreidler? I would do a Thomas+Kreadler for A Mart + Forbort and whatever other ancillary pieces need to happen (if any). Any interest?

Chris K is a kid I spent allot of time around and believe his upside has yet to be close to being established, the same goes with Forbort. Thomas and A Mart have differing values but to me it is a case of horses for courses. We both have needs that can be filled with equal players each of which address any discrepancies in value when viewed as a whole.

Just curious.
Appreciate your civil and respectful inquiry on Kreider, but no thanks.

I am his staunchest advocate, the one who dares to go on record saying "barring injury, he will be the next Dave Keon" (at minimum) and "if he develops enough scoring touch and ability, he could be another Pavel Bure".

So pass there.
I think all players have a trade thresh hold, some are too high to be feasible.
Kreider's potential may not actually be that high, but until we kick the tires a least a bit, Rangers would be shortchanging themselves, so no Kreider anytime soon.

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Ok, so pls keep it going... would consider Anisimov, Dubi if price were right.
Let's exhaust Ranger side before seeing if we can agree on what you'd send back.
Is that it?
Boyle?

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Appreciate your civil and respectful inquiry on Kreider, but no thanks.

I am his staunchest advocate, the one who dares to go on record saying "barring injury, he will be the next Dave Keon" (at minimum) and "if he develops enough scoring touch and ability, he could be another Pavel Bure".

So pass there.
I think all players have a trade thresh hold, some are too high to be feasible.
Kreider's potential may not actually be that high, but until we kick the tires a least a bit, Rangers would be shortchanging themselves, so no Kreider anytime soon.

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Ok, so pls keep it going... would consider Anisimov, Dubi if price were right.
Let's exhaust Ranger side before seeing if we can agree on what you'd send back.
Is that it?
Boyle?




I agree with everything you have said about JK. He is also one really good kid who has a specific knack for trivia. If you are ever around him ask him if he wants to play a game of trivial pursuit. That kid is one heck of a prospect.

Let me think about things.

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I agree with everything you have said about JK. He is also one really good kid who has a specific knack for trivia. If you are ever around him ask him if he wants to play a game of trivial pursuit. That kid is one heck of a prospect.

Let me think about things.
May be slammed soon and tied up most of weekend, unsure.
So if no feedback for a couple of days, no diss intended.

Thanks to all for their polite and helpful feedback.

Pls don't wait for me, continue to add...

For the moment we can agree that POSSIBLY on the board is
Anisimov, Boyle

PROBABLY on the board is
Dubinksy, Fedotenko, Christian Thomas

On the Kings side
Martinez

maybe draft picks???????

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Kings fans,

had a moment to update. Am open to other views. What about:
right now Fedotenko, Christian Thomas, Rangers 5th + 6th 2012
for Martinez + Kings 3rd 2012

We'll have a handshake to have earnest discussions about Dubinksy after the season, we'll see if we can agree.

Deal?

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Kings fans,

had a moment to update. Am open to other views. What about:
right now Fedotenko, Christian Thomas, Rangers 5th + 6th 2012
for Martinez + Kings 3rd 2012

We'll have a handshake to have earnest discussions about Dubinksy after the season, we'll see if we can agree.

Deal?
I'd do that, but i'm not sure we have a 2012 3rd, didn't we trade that in the Penner trade? Do the rangers have a 2nd this year we could shoehorn in somewhere, DL does pretty well with 2nd round picks.

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I'd do that, but i'm not sure we have a 2012 3rd, didn't we trade that in the Penner trade? Do the rangers have a 2nd this year we could shoehorn in somewhere, DL does pretty well with 2nd round picks.
what picks do you have for 2012?
Given the value of Feds + Thomas, I'm not throwing in the 2nd without more from you, unless...

add dubi + 2nd for LAK 1st?

Feds + Thomas + dubi + 2nd for Martinez + LAK 1st?

like frasier crane, I'm listening....

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what picks do you have for 2012?
Given the value of Feds + Thomas, I'm not throwing in the 2nd without more from you, unless...

add dubi + 2nd for LAK 1st?

Feds + Thomas + dubi + 2nd for Martinez + LAK 1st?

like frasier crane, I'm listening....
Very tempting, If we could acquire more picks from cashing in guys like Stoll and Penner then I'd probably do that. I just have visions of Lombardi sulking in the corner at the draft because we don't have very many picks.

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Dubinsky or Callahan is more the kind of player that would shorten Lombardi's inseam.

I don't think the Kings would be keen on moving significant roster guys, at least no one the Rangers would actually want. So it would have to be something for picks. Dubie for a 2nd and a 4th or something like that, just for-instance, not a legit proposal.

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The Ranger board is not big on moving Dubi generally and not at this price.

However something limited to Feds and/or Thomas for Martinez and x may work

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