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01-19-2012, 09:49 AM
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How the **** is McGwire a solid choice?

I have watched him on TV for 10 years and he is the opposite of what I want as a GM, when a guy is playing well he annoints him as a god, when he isn't all you hear about is a lack of committment and bailing out and whatever. I don't want a bi polar GM that makes moves on emotions. Plus most of his "info" taht people think he is smart comes from friends who are scouts, do you honestly think that Joe who works for Detroit will tell Pierre who to draft and not to draft when he is working for another NHL team?
Why do you always have to respond with aggression, it gets old really really quick. So please forgive me for not answering anything you write anymore.

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01-19-2012, 09:50 AM
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He would need to be the complete opposite for it to work. I don't like the odds of that.
Looking at TSN's list, I think he is the best for this position. Maybe Loiselle a close 2nd

Hiring Julien Brisebois a Gainey and Gauthier type of guy, we are back to square 1. That would be a big mistake IMHO. We need to clean up!

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01-19-2012, 09:51 AM
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I want to know how Patrick Roy is holding as a coach in the Junior. Is he a good motivator (compared to the average)? Does he creates good gameplans? Is he creative in his PP and PK strategies?

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01-19-2012, 09:56 AM
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The real shocking thing is the PP for me. Montreal has always been absolutely deadly on the PP. Not having seen enough MTL games, except when they play OTT, would it be the loss of Markov having this much of an impact??

The tools are in place - Price in goal, PK, Emelin and Weber all young on the back-end and some prospects in place.

The glaring need is up front. MTL needs an impact forward in a bad way. One of the by-products of making the playoffs year-in/year-out (or at least very close) is the lack of a high-end draft pick in the system.

I still think MTL rebounds a little bit, but it looks like that forward could be incoming at the draft this year.

Puzzling though, for sure. MTL always plays OTT tough as hell, I wouldn't guess that they'd be in this position right now.

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01-19-2012, 10:03 AM
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Looking at TSN's list, I think he is the best for this position. Maybe Loiselle a close 2nd
Like I said, if what he says on TV is anything like his real opinion, he's a disaster waiting to happen.

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Hiring Julien Brisebois a Gainey and Gauthier type of guy, we are back to square 1.
Brisebois though is the kind of guy the team needs. A young, tech-savvy, analytically-minded outsider. No former players, no dubious "insiders" who think guts and grit trump actual hockey ability.

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01-19-2012, 10:16 AM
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...I was in favor of the Kaberle deal at first, and I still don't think he's that bad (I take him over Campoli any day of the week) but he really is constantly cheating in the defensive zone, making quick plays in order to avoid a hit, placing himself behind opponents instead of separating them from the puck, etc....
Funny, I observe the same thing about Plekanec in the offensive zone.

This team needs a full rebuild, and Plekanec must go because he has great value. But Habs wouldn't be able to do anything with him as a #1 center for the next 2 years anyway (Habs are in for 2 more years of mediocrity anyway, I believe). And I hope people won't bring up the "he's great on the PK argument" because developping or trading for a PK specialist is not that hard and it doesn't have to cost much. Moen is a proof by himself. In fact, I would developp Eller as a PK/defensive specialist from now on.

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01-19-2012, 10:21 AM
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I want to know how Patrick Roy is holding as a coach in the Junior. Is he a good motivator (compared to the average)? Does he creates good gameplans? Is he creative in his PP and PK strategies?
There's one thing that worries me, his teams are always stacked with talent. At least that's what I've thought, unless someone could provide evidence to the contrary. He wouldn't be handed one of the best offensive teams in the NHL here.

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01-19-2012, 10:23 AM
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One thing that changed under Cunneyworth is that all the forwards are cheating on their defensive assignments and it's really hurting the habs.

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01-19-2012, 10:24 AM
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One thing that changed under Cunneyworth is that all the forwards are cheating on their defensive assignments and it's really hurting the habs.
If at least cheating on defense meant more goals.

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01-19-2012, 10:36 AM
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The real shocking thing is the PP for me. Montreal has always been absolutely deadly on the PP. Not having seen enough MTL games, except when they play OTT, would it be the loss of Markov having this much of an impact??

The tools are in place - Price in goal, PK, Emelin and Weber all young on the back-end and some prospects in place.

The glaring need is up front. MTL needs an impact forward in a bad way. One of the by-products of making the playoffs year-in/year-out (or at least very close) is the lack of a high-end draft pick in the system.

I still think MTL rebounds a little bit, but it looks like that forward could be incoming at the draft this year.

Puzzling though, for sure. MTL always plays OTT tough as hell, I wouldn't guess that they'd be in this position right now.
The problem with the PP is about the forwards not scoring and more specifically not really having any plays other than passing to the point and crashing the net for screens and rebounds.

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01-19-2012, 10:44 AM
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The problem with the PP is about the forwards not scoring and more specifically not really having any plays other than passing to the point and crashing the net for screens and rebounds.
Funny, that sounds familiar. Didn't that whiner Cammalleri say something about this right after Winnipeg pasted the Habs?

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01-19-2012, 10:52 AM
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The problem on the PP is the lack of creativity. Heck, apply a bit of pressure on our guys and they will miss their passes or shoot in obvious blocked lanes.

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01-19-2012, 10:57 AM
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Had a nice dream this night. I kept seeing the habs having scoring chances but they always missed the net or hit the post...

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01-19-2012, 11:04 AM
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Had a nice dream this night. I kept seeing the habs having scoring chances but they always missed the net or hit the post...
lol

Everytime we hear or read the expression "scoring chances", it means the team has lost. Having a lot of scoring chances is the excuse of losing teams.

You don't need scoring chances, you need goals.

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01-19-2012, 11:08 AM
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Carey Price, "Playoffs are still doable. But we definitely have to get on our horse and get riding"

Ok...Mr. Price you are one delusional dude!
Sadly, it was not one of Mr. Price's better games.

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price had the same work as halak did when he was in town last week, only difference halak stopped all the shots, please don't tell me halak wasn't under pressure being back in montreal. Halak is more mentally tough than price is, why can't people see that !!!
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I feel sick to my stomach for the poor people that spent hundreds of dollars to see this ****ing abomination tonight. Absolutely pathetic effort... Disgusting.
Very dull hockey game. At least we got 9 shots on the PP. Too bad we couldn't actually score.
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really look at his gm history--very mediocre-- would he be in demand if he was available as a GM tomorrow??ad now he sais Habs need to get bigger? why didnt he say that when Martin was coach

had to mention tsn intermission talk bout martin being a candidate for GM--how bizzare would that be-- but wouldnt shock me not in Montreal
Makes no sense why it took us over a decade to realize that we need size either. Still didn't like that trade though.
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"We play like losers"
Miller said something very similar the other day about the Sabres. I wonder if he's going to be traded within the hour as well.
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Had a nice dream this night. I kept seeing the habs having scoring chances but they always missed the net or hit the post...
You obviously fell asleep on your couch. That was the game on in the background.

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01-19-2012, 11:20 AM
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There's one thing that worries me, his teams are always stacked with talent. At least that's what I've thought, unless someone could provide evidence to the contrary. He wouldn't be handed one of the best offensive teams in the NHL here.
On the other hand, it does show his flair as a GM if he efficiently stacks his team.

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01-19-2012, 11:26 AM
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Funny, I observe the same thing about Plekanec in the offensive zone.

This team needs a full rebuild, and Plekanec must go because he has great value. But Habs wouldn't be able to do anything with him as a #1 center for the next 2 years anyway (Habs are in for 2 more years of mediocrity anyway, I believe). And I hope people won't bring up the "he's great on the PK argument" because developping or trading for a PK specialist is not that hard and it doesn't have to cost much. Moen is a proof by himself. In fact, I would developp Eller as a PK/defensive specialist from now on.
there's a difference in making quick plays to be...quick and what kaberle does. Pleky always goes after the puck carrier and gives them a good whacking, often coming up with the puck. He's one of the best at being able to control the puck along the boards and feed whoever. He goes after guys like Chara just fyi and doesn't shy away from contact, he just makes plays before he gets leveled, not in order NOT to get leveled (which would really have no point except losing the puck and getting hurt).

His value is high for a reason. He's an amazing hockey player. Not the biggest, but we've been working on that and quite frankly these big guys can't hit the side of a barn

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01-19-2012, 11:28 AM
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I want to know how Patrick Roy is holding as a coach in the Junior. Is he a good motivator (compared to the average)? Does he creates good gameplans? Is he creative in his PP and PK strategies?
He's excellent at yelling at kids and throwing them under the bus when things go south. Those attributes should work very well with multi-millionaire men.

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01-19-2012, 11:31 AM
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The problem on the PP is the lack of creativity. Heck, apply a bit of pressure on our guys and they will miss their passes or shoot in obvious blocked lanes.
^this. every play is so predictable. We need to be a step ahead of the opposing PK and move the puck quickly. The fact our #1 unit consists of two D that keep fumbling the puck (it's like having Hammer and Spacek out their on our first wave...scary, only worse). The fwd at the right circle (usually pleks) just circles around and either is forced to take a bad angle shot that is easily stoppable cuz hes not Kovalev and cuz the other players have not gotten open OR he passes back to the point where it's a give and go resulting eventually in a SH breakaway or at best a shot right into the first PK fwd's leg. Lack of a plan, lack of execution. So many ways our PP could improve, I don't know what they are doing in practice.

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01-19-2012, 11:35 AM
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He's excellent at yelling at kids and throwing them under the bus when things go south. Those attributes should work very well with multi-millionaire men.
Seeing the number of hfboarders were infuriated at JM's refusal to throw Gomez under the bus...

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01-19-2012, 11:44 AM
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JM had stretches of 3 wins in 14 games...JM own the worst Canadiens home start since 1938

So what Randy is 4-8-1....


This season can't end soon enough.....

All the coaches been fired still same result,the GM when does he take responsibility?
Which stretches of 3 wins in 14 games?

At the end of the day, what is JM's record this season when he got fired? Stop producing smoke by hand picking stats.

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You don't seem to get it, do you? This team sucked with Martin as well. I would have had no issue if Martin was retained until the end of the year and fired or if he was fired when he was. Made no difference to me as when he was fired the season was already over.

The team needs to be completely gutted so having Martin would put this on hold. Having PG is putting this thing on hold.
The season was already over when JM was fired? REALLY?! That's the vapor I was talking about.


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01-19-2012, 11:49 AM
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I didn't think we played all that bad

Doubled them in shots and were not ragdolled by a much bigger team like in the past against these guys.

I thought Pricey shoulda had one or two of those goals back but c'est la vie. Their goaltending was stellar, ours wasn't, turn the page.

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01-19-2012, 11:53 AM
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Do you actually believe this or are you just making excuses for Randy? Throwing a kid into the fire and acting shocked, SHOCKED when he flounders is good for him? If Martin had done this you'd have roasted him.



To a point (the Habs only started to dominate with the score 3-0, score effects would take effect, teams that are well ahead are supposed to get outshot especially if they played the night before), but that does not excuse Eller's benching any more than the 4-1 win over the Rangers did.
I don't think Randy acted shocked. It seems some around here are acting shocked that a 2nd year player is being benched, not Randy. Where was this expression of shock?

I've never once seen you reference score before when JM and the Canadiens were trailing. If you've got one post referencing a game JM coached where you posted this I'll be glad to look, but it's hard not to turn the game around after your behind, especially if your down 2 after 4 shots. No matter what, we were playing from behind and it had basically nothing to do with RC. So to discredit this effort because we were already losing is a bit of hogwash, we were losing by 2 thanks to no fault of our own. I can see you use statistics to back up your preconceived opinion plain as day now.

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01-19-2012, 11:54 AM
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I didn't think we played all that bad

Doubled them in shots and were not ragdolled by a much bigger team like in the past against these guys.

I thought Pricey shoulda had one or two of those goals back but c'est la vie. Their goaltending was stellar, ours wasn't, turn the page.
Don't get fooled by the shots on net total, the Habs took 17 shots in the 3rd period, we had 8 minutes of pp in the 3rd and ahuge reason why we doubled them in shots. The shots on net after the 1st were 7-5 for Montreal and 14-10 for Montreal after 2

This was supposed to be the " most important " game of the year

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All I know is that whenever I watch the other team score against the Habs in the highlights #75 is right there in the middle of it.

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