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01-15-2012, 09:16 AM
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The examples you gave where all done by a different GM (except for Kostitsyn) , the problem with Sergei was that his unhappiness with the coach was affecting Andrei as well and the GM thought it would be easier to trade then deal with which I kind of disagree with because you could see the talent oozing from Sergei and the return was terrible. However in the Pierre Gauthier era you can see a small change in philosophy , acquiring bigger players to complement our smaller skill players (Cole , Eller , Bourque). I personally have no problem with the recent history of Pierre Gauthier I often find he is blammed unfairly for issues caused by Gainey (not justifying his mistakes but the tragedies involving his family were quite evidently bothering his work life). Kaberle his a high risk / high reward the kind of player that works well in a system , yes he sucked in Carolina however how many of our fan base would have cried if he would have been picked up by someone else and regained his form (it's just what we needed to kick start our pp they would cry).

The point I'm clearly trying to make is that Gauthier isn't so bad and that some of the criticism is just unfair. I believe without a doubt that with Markov in the line-up we would be where Ottawa is right now if not better.

Imagine this

Cole-Plekanec-Pacioretty
Bourque-Gomez-Gionta
A.K-Eller-Moen
Blunden-Noki-White

Markov-Subban
Kaberle-Gorges
Diaz-Gill
(Weber).

This line-up would be playoff worthy , but injuries will happen (part of the game) and this year we just don't have that luck factor in regards to injuries. (see : Penguins , Buffalo , Edmonton , Flyers , list goes on...).
Gomez over Desharnais is hilarious.

Gill over Emelin is equally as disgusting although playoff Gill is good.

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01-15-2012, 09:20 AM
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Gomez over Desharnais is hilarious.
Not if you travelled the time-space continuum and teleported the Gomez from 5 years ago.

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01-15-2012, 09:49 AM
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some people on here no nothing about hockey saying dallas would never trade alex chiasson and 1st rounder for cammalleri well they traded jerome iginla who was a 1st round pick for joe niewendyck learn your history people.

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Not if you travelled the time-space continuum and teleported the Gomez from 5 years ago.
If we could travel in time, there are a lot better players we could bring back than Gomez.

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01-15-2012, 09:55 AM
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some people on here no nothing about hockey saying dallas would never trade alex chiasson and 1st rounder for cammalleri well they traded jerome iginla who was a 1st round pick for joe niewendyck learn your history people.
That was Gainey who made that trade lol. Kind of ironic

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01-15-2012, 10:14 AM
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I like a lot of the moves that Gauthier has made. The bad ones seem to be linked with a desire to appease Jacques Martin but most of them are not so bad that they are completely horrible. Sergei Kostitsyn may be the worst.

Others that some people hate include Campoli (who cost us nothing except cash) and Kaberle (who cost us only Spacek). Campoli was simply a fall back plan with a one year contract. The salary we took on hasn't hurt our roster flexibility in the short term and in the longer term we will have a new CBA.

The one that really hurt was Markov and while he perhaps should have known better, the human body is a complex piece of machinery. Had Markov returned to the lineup, Gauthier would have looked like a genius. What irritates me is the posters who wanted Markov re-signed and now gripe about it.

Slowly but surely, Gauthier has been changing the face of the team. Nokelainen for Trotter is another example. While Nokes doesn't play much, he has a role on this team. Trotter didn't.

The media can take some blame for this firestorm. They have completely failed to recognize that there has been a subtle change of direction over the past couple of years. Even our drafting looks different.

But I still think Gauthier would be better suited to a role as an advisor. He has set the course for the team and taken a lot of heat. He doesn't deflect blame but he doesn't handle the media well either.

Bring in a GM who can work with Gauthier and Molson. We all know the attributes he needs. Allow him to have input into who will be on the coaching staff. There is a lot of knowledge he could draw on.

This organization isn't as bad as it looks.

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01-15-2012, 10:28 AM
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I like a lot of the moves that Gauthier has made. The bad ones seem to be linked with a desire to appease Jacques Martin but most of them are not so bad that they are completely horrible. Sergei Kostitsyn may be the worst.

Others that some people hate include Campoli (who cost us nothing except cash) and Kaberle (who cost us only Spacek). Campoli was simply a fall back plan with a one year contract. The salary we took on hasn't hurt our roster flexibility in the short term and in the longer term we will have a new CBA.

The one that really hurt was Markov and while he perhaps should have known better, the human body is a complex piece of machinery. Had Markov returned to the lineup, Gauthier would have looked like a genius. What irritates me is the posters who wanted Markov re-signed and now gripe about it.

Slowly but surely, Gauthier has been changing the face of the team. Nokelainen for Trotter is another example. While Nokes doesn't play much, he has a role on this team. Trotter didn't.

The media can take some blame for this firestorm. They have completely failed to recognize that there has been a subtle change of direction over the past couple of years. Even our drafting looks different.

But I still think Gauthier would be better suited to a role as an advisor. He has set the course for the team and taken a lot of heat. He doesn't deflect blame but he doesn't handle the media well either.

Bring in a GM who can work with Gauthier and Molson. We all know the attributes he needs. Allow him to have input into who will be on the coaching staff. There is a lot of knowledge he could draw on.

This organization isn't as bad as it looks.
What was the alternative with SK?

Non tender him or keep him on a team where the coach and playes want him gone?

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01-15-2012, 10:53 AM
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But he was on the ice for the first two LA goals the second one he was standing around as usual.
So were 4 other guys, like almost every goal scored in the NHL

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If we could travel in time, there are a lot better players we could bring back than Gomez.
If i could turn back time i would bring cher.

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If i could turn back time i would bring cher.
Yuck. What about Freddy Mercury?

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Yuck. What about Freddy Mercury?
huh, Cher sing one called "If I could turn back time" or something

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What was the alternative with SK?

Non tender him or keep him on a team where the coach and playes want him gone?
Prove it.

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Cammy must be happy like a little girl on X-Mas morning . He scored a goal !!!!

The team lost anyway. Doesn't matter...

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Short piece on Cammalleri.

Taken from Steve Simmons' column in today's Toronto Sun >

The nickname going around about Mike Cammalleri tells you all you need to know about the traded Canadien. He was known as ‘Me, Myself and Mike,’ which is how a lot of underproducing goal scorers are perceived on teams. They find self worth in scoring and when they don’t deliver, they don’t tend to take it well. See Jason Blake as a Leaf.

Very disturbing. I knew "Cammy" had issues in the past (e.g. Kings). Didn't realize he hasn't grown up yet.

There were other recent hints/stories he wasn't a quality dressing room guy.

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Taken from Steve Simmons' column in today's Toronto Sun >

The nickname going around about Mike Cammalleri tells you all you need to know about the traded Canadien. He was known as ‘Me, Myself and Mike,’ which is how a lot of underproducing goal scorers are perceived on teams. They find self worth in scoring and when they don’t deliver, they don’t tend to take it well. See Jason Blake as a Leaf.

Very disturbing. I knew "Cammy" had issues in the past (e.g. Kings). Didn't realize he hasn't grown up yet.

There were other recent hints/stories he wasn't a quality dressing room guy.
He seemed to start the sooking process, when Gio was given the C

Time to move on, he will score some nice goals for Calgary, but in no way can he be a PPG type of guy anymore, his 5 on 5 play is terrible and he will no longer go to the dirty areas on a regular basis....Dairy Queen soft serve is his game now...

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I believe the 5th round pick is Columbus pick

http://www.prosportstransactions.com.../Canadiens.htm

We have no 5th and 7th in this upcoming draft as of now

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He seemed to start the sooking process, when Gio was given the C

Time to move on, he will score some nice goals for Calgary, but in no way can he be a PPG type of guy anymore, his 5 on 5 play is terrible and he will no longer go to the dirty areas on a regular basis....Dairy Queen soft serve is his game now...
and we got Bourque

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and we got Bourque
Interesting, my good Friends dad recently went golfing with Dale Tallon in Florida after the Cammalleri trade. He said we got a very good deal in this trade and was surprise that Calgary was willing to pay so much for a "useless" player as he called Cammalleri. He also said that the Habs biggest problem is Pierre gauthier which I was surprised to hear and that he himself would never make a deal with him.

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Interesting, my good Friends dad recently went golfing with Dale Tallon in Florida after the Cammalleri trade. He said we got a very good deal in this trade and was surprise that Calgary was willing to pay so much for a "useless" player as he called Cammalleri. He also said that the Habs biggest problem is Pierre gauthier which I was surprised to hear and that he himself would never make a deal with him.
The last statement is a bit contradictory no?

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Gomez over Desharnais is hilarious.

Gill over Emelin is equally as disgusting although playoff Gill is good.
Gill was good in the playoffs... but we aren't making the playoffs and he has slowed down even more.

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The last statement is a bit contradictory no?
That's why i mentioned I was surprised to hear that.

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I believe the 5th round pick is Columbus pick

http://www.prosportstransactions.com.../Canadiens.htm

We have no 5th and 7th in this upcoming draft as of now
Which, unless something drastic changes, will be around #121 overall, or basically equivalent to a low 4th rounder.

Sucks that we lost our 5th rounder to the Islanders since we made the playoffs last year and Wiz played over 50% of the games. In the end, we gave up a 2nd and a high 5th for 49 games of the Wiz.

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Which, unless something drastic changes, will be around #121 overall, or basically equivalent to a low 4th rounder.

Sucks that we lost our 5th rounder to the Islanders since we made the playoffs last year and Wiz played over 50% of the games. In the end, we gave up a 2nd and a high 5th for 49 games of the Wiz.
It was a good move for Wiz at the time we needed him, just sucks we don't have a 5th and 7th this year. Hopefully we stock up a little in the next couple of weeks

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