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01-20-2012, 02:10 PM
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i love the buying and selling mentality.

for suter or weber its clearly 5 top end prospects..

but for hemsky that we can all agree is a top 6 its max a second.

i love how the value of a player changes when your trying to get him or you are selling him

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01-20-2012, 02:11 PM
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but for hemsky that we can all agree is a top 6...
What? Maybe in Nashville or Edmonton.

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What? Maybe in Nashville or Edmonton.
Care to enlighten us as to which team would put a 70-point right winger on the third line?

What a ridiculous statement.

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01-20-2012, 02:21 PM
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Care to enlighten us as to which team would put a 70-point right winger on the third line?

What a ridiculous statement.
Which 70 point winger are you talking about? Hemsky? The guy who's on pace for 35 points at a -8?

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Thank goodness the Sens aren't in on the over payment that's going to occur for Hemsky.

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i love the buying and selling mentality.

for suter or weber its clearly 5 top end prospects..

but for hemsky that we can all agree is a top 6 its max a second.

i love how the value of a player changes when your trying to get him or you are selling him
I like how you leave out everything that detracts from his value.

Suter and Weber are game changes, franchise players... Hemsky is not.

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01-20-2012, 02:27 PM
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Which 70 point winger are you talking about? Hemsky? The guy who's on pace for 35 points at a -8?
Oh you mean the same guy who put up 42 pts in 47 games last year? Oh yea that guy.

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01-20-2012, 02:28 PM
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Which 70 point winger are you talking about? Hemsky? The guy who's on pace for 35 points at a -8?
The one that's top 15 in scoring by wingers the past 6 years.

Camalleri is on pace for 41 points does that make him worthless at 6 mil. GM's look at a players body of work believe it or not.

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01-20-2012, 02:28 PM
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I guess he should have been traded last season.

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I like how you leave out everything that detracts from his value.

Suter and Weber are game changes, franchise players... Hemsky is not.
I would just ignore that kid if I was you

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I like how you leave out everything that detracts from his value.

Suter and Weber are game changes, franchise players... Hemsky is not.
No but he's a top six forward on every team in the NHL and a top 3 on most of them.

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Oh you mean the same guy who put up 42 pts in 47 games last year? Oh yea that guy.
Paces are cool. Though they would be much more meaningful for a player that could play an entire season. It is funny to call a player a 70 point winger when he has only done it twice in his career and hasn't done it in 4 years. If he was as valuable as some would make him out to be, why wouldn't the Oilers be interested in keeping him? Not like they are a great team with no spots available.

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I have a suspicion the Wings are kicking the tires on pretty much any top6 quality forward who hits the market. I also bet that the pieces available (Tatar, Kindl, picks, some combination there of) is pretty consistent in all of the conversations.

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No but he's a top six forward on every team in the NHL and a top 3 on most of them.
Not really,do you notice how far back you guys are going to make him sound better than he is? You just threw out a 6 year span stat.. That is ridiculous when discussing the value of a player today.

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01-20-2012, 02:32 PM
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Which player gets bumped out of the top six in Detroit? Not Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Filppula, or Franzen. Bertuzzi won't get bumped because Datsyuk always plays with a big body who retrieves pucks so that leaves Hudler. Hudler is on pace for 22 goals and 50 points.

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To NSH:

Hemsky + 3rd

to EDM:

2nd

It's all he is worth. Liability.
What utter nonsense. Not at all worth trading in that case.

The thing about Hemksy is we have no idea how really good he is. The biggest feathers in Hemkys cap are that #1 He made Shawn Horcoff a very rich man. Horcoff rode Hemskys coat tails for years. And #2 In all most all occasions except for this last time he came back from injuries and produced at the same level as he had done throughout his career.

It will be interesting to see what happens. One of two things will happen, either fans will be aghast at just how much he fetches in a trade or he won;t be traded. I don't see any way at all that Tambellini will accept a 2nd rounder and a medium to low prospect.

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For as long as LeBrun has been saying the Wings are interested in Hemsky, I think it would of happened by now if the two teams were on the same page regarding the value appropriate in return.

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Not really,do you notice how far back you guys are going to make him sound better than he is? You just threw out a 6 year span stat.. That is ridiculous when discussing the value of a player today.
Fine last year .89 PPG the year. The year before that 1.0 PPG. Once again GM's look at a players body of work and he is the most talented player available at the deadline period.

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01-20-2012, 02:40 PM
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For as long as LeBrun has been saying the Wings are interested in Hemsky, I think it would of happened by now if the two teams were on the same page regarding the value appropriate in return.
No, the Oilers wait till the deadline every time they make a trade. It's when GM's are desperate and get the max value.

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I would just ignore that kid if I was you
Because i dont agree that any player is worth 5 1sts worth of talent..

you have some serious blinders on if you think your fa stud dman is worth 10x what you think hemsky is.

are they better deffinatly. will you get more for them 100 %.

Me saying hemsky is worth a mid 1st round asset is reasonable

me saying suter weber will fetch apx 1 top end talent 1 mid first pick prospect and 1 top 6 or top 4 is also reasonable.

You thinking your going to get JVR SC 2 1sts and a top 4.. for suter/weber then pick up hemsky for a 2nd is... well i dont know how to help you if your that far from reality.

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I'm fine with Nashville taking a waiver on the guy, but if any of Josi, Blum, Ellis, or our 1st this year are involved, I will be very unhappy. 2/3rd + Charles Oliver Roussel I am very okay with, but i doubt EDM fans are. I don't want Hemsky at full value, but he's worth a shot if his injuries and rental status really chop down his value.

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Fine last year .89 PPG the year. The year before that 1.0 PPG.
And over that entire two year time period he played all of 64 games. That's part of his body of work too. So over the past three years you have two years where he's sat more games than he played along with one year (this season) where he may as well have. Don't get me wrong; he'd look great on the 3rd line with Helm and Cleary, I just wouldn't give up too much for him.


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Not really,do you notice how far back you guys are going to make him sound better than he is? You just threw out a 6 year span stat.. That is ridiculous when discussing the value of a player today.
Are you implying that what he did 6 years ago before several season ending shoulder injuries and multiple surgeries is somehow irrelevant to his value as a 2 month rental? Preposterous!

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if hemsky had been healthy the last 2 years and put up 70 points his value would be a good prospect and a 1st.

Roughly 2 mid firsts worth of value or maybe 1 top 10 pick.

His injuries drop his value by lets say roughly 50% so a mid to later 1st or a 2nd and 3rd. since its a deep draft maybe 2/3 since nashville will be reluctant to give up that first.

its a risk reward situation.
you COULD get a 70 point guy that plays hard... if you do you win huge for a late first.

you COULD get a guy that plays 40 games for you and then its not worth that mid 1st.

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No, the Oilers wait till the deadline every time they make a trade. It's when GM's are desperate and get the max value.
whats crazy is the # of oiler fans who seem to take it personal when other fans downplay oiler players value.

here its simple, detroit fans dont want hemsky so dont bother trying to guage return value because we will never offer you what you want.

to us he is a injury prone ufa rental. you will not get a top 5 prospect or a 1st rounder, if thats dosent sit well with you then simply stop lookin at the red wings as a potential trade partner and your feelings wont get hurt

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