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01-20-2012, 09:03 AM
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The coach's job is to put players in a position to succeed.

Does it look to you like Laviolette is doing that?
One of the very first things Richards said about the LA coaching staff was how they try to put the players in position to succeed.

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01-20-2012, 09:52 AM
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shouldn't the coach make sure they are always ready to play? shouldn't they have enough respect to their coach to show him an honest effort when they go out there? lack of motivation and not being prepared mentally when the puck drops is a direct reflection on the coaching staff. imo

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01-20-2012, 12:06 PM
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We have a team where 7 rookies are in the lineup, and 6 points out of being the #1 team in the league, with our $51M goalie among the worst players in the league, and without our Hall of Fame defenseman for the last 5 months of the season. Yet, here is a thread where it's claimed that the team is poorly coached.

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01-20-2012, 12:08 PM
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Coaching doesn't matter.
I think I've seen this argument before.

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01-20-2012, 12:11 PM
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its Laviolette's fault when the Flyers lose. its the players that win us games.
Maybe someday a certian assistant coach will have the coaching pedigree of Peter Laviolette.
Not to many times does a NHL headcoach coach perfect. in fact it never happens. Laviolette is a good coach. Probabaly one of the better ones we have had around here in awhile.
yeah lets fire Laviolette, who is going to coach this team?
if the Flyers changed the system to a defensive system the same people would be ****ing whining we dont score enough goals.
If Bryzgalov was doing his ******* job right now this thread isnt happening.

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01-20-2012, 12:23 PM
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We have a team where 7 rookies are in the lineup, and 6 points out of being the #1 team in the league, with our $51M goalie among the worst players in the league, and without our Hall of Fame defenseman for the last 5 months of the season. Yet, here is a thread where it's claimed that the team is poorly coached.
I think the correct answer is something like this.

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01-20-2012, 12:27 PM
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So, if we're firing Lavy, who is the next coach?


Likely Craig Berube. So, nothing changes.

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01-20-2012, 12:50 PM
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We have a team where 7 rookies are in the lineup, and 6 points out of being the #1 team in the league, with our $51M goalie among the worst players in the league, and without our Hall of Fame defenseman for the last 5 months of the season. Yet, here is a thread where it's claimed that the team is poorly coached.
Good points, yet still no explanation why Couturier was on 4th line for 40min.


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01-20-2012, 01:15 PM
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I'm happy with Lavi, but he's not perfect by any means. He's stubborn tactically and seems to take a while to spot a problem. We're such a frustrating team to watch, so lazy and unmotivated.

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01-20-2012, 01:19 PM
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the quality of threads on hf boards are becoming laughably bad

and this is coming from someone who made a thread about giroux being a cool dude

i give it an hour before i see a "giroux for malkin" thread
We already established that Pittsburgh will have to add..

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01-20-2012, 01:45 PM
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I bet you can find a thread about it.. It was Lavi vs John Stevens and what head coach is better.
I don't remember that specific one. Can you find it for me?

I do recall lots of threads like that, saying things like with Lavi the Flyers would have reliable breakouts.

And sterling special teams play.

And rock solid defensive positioning.

And, of course, never a day off, always a 110% effort.

I don't know, all of that sounds so familiar.


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01-20-2012, 01:52 PM
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its the players that win us games
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yeah lets fire Laviolette
Who said anything about firing?

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If Bryzgalov was doing his ******* job right now this thread isnt happening.
Or maybe if Laviolette was doing his ******* job right now Bryzgalov isn't happening.

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JXC, you're so convinced that this coach is not doing his job. Surely, you have a solution, even if it's a list of candidates who would do a better job.

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01-20-2012, 02:01 PM
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the quality of threads on hf boards are becoming laughably bad
I know. We're 50 posts into this and no one has mentioned the totally awesome Coke machine thing yet.

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I do recall lots of threads like that, saying things like with Lavi the Flyers would have reliable breakouts.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens.


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And sterling special teams play.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens.


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And rock solid defensive positioning.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens.


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And, of course, never a day off, always a 110% effort.
Always Mike Richards' fault.

Seriously JXC, why did you start this thread? That's an honest question, not rhetorical.

If you want to say Lavi should be blamed for the same things Stevens was fine, but you defended Stevens against all of those claims. If it wasn't his fault then how is it Lavi's now?

Unless you've changed your opinion on Stevens, your opinion should be the same as it was then: these issues are on the players and the captain. If your opinion has not changed then you're just trying to start a petty argument on the internet. And like I said before, I think you're a little to old to be doing something like that.

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01-20-2012, 02:12 PM
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Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens. Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens. Always the coach's fault.....except when it's John Stevens.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.

Getting the point yet?

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Seriously JXC, why did you start this thread?
Because it is time for us to ask yourselves if Laviolette is doing his job. If you truly remember the Olden Days of Stevens then surely you remember when bad breakouts, bad defense, absence of discipline, poor special teams, lackluster effort were

ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL OR EXCEPTION,

the fault of the coach.

ALWAYS.

Remember?

Why has that been flipped now?

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If your opinion has not changed then you're just trying to start a petty argument on the internet.
LOL

A few years back I was the one who stated that players win games, not system, not coaching.

Now here you are saying that, ummmm, players win games, not system, not coaching.

And you are calling me argumentative.

Unreal.

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So, JXC you finally admitted Stevens wasn't doing his job? Finally.


Dude, if you don't like what most of the posters think of Laviolette why did you start this thread?

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This is the second time this week JXC has provided us with a reason to never take anything he says seriously.

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Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.
Always the coach's fault.....except when it's Peter Laviolette.

Getting the point yet?



Because it is time for us to ask yourselves if Laviolette is doing his job. If you truly remember the Olden Days of Stevens then surely you remember when bad breakouts, bad defense, absence of discipline, poor special teams, lackluster effort were

ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL OR EXCEPTION,

the fault of the coach.

ALWAYS.

Why has that been flipped now?



LOL

A few years back I was the one who stated that players win games, not system, not coaching.

Now here you are saying that, ummmm, players win games, not system, not coaching.

And you are calling me argumentative.

Unreal.
Is there a smiley face thing for shock and disbelief?

Honestly, I don't even know what say. You broke my brain.

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01-20-2012, 02:24 PM
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Honestly, I don't even know what say.
Say that I was right to lampoon those who said that poor effort, poor breakouts, poor special teams, poor organization, and dumb penalties were ALWAYS the coach's fault, now that you know I was right. Then we'll move on!

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Say that I was right to lampoon those who said that poor effort, poor breakouts, poor special teams, poor organization, and dumb penalties were the coach's fault, now that you know I was right. Then we'll move on!
No, I think I'll just say this again. With one provision:

*READ CAREFULLY*

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If you want to say Lavi should be blamed for the same things Stevens was fine, but you defended Stevens against all of those claims. If it wasn't his fault then how is it Lavi's now?

Unless you've changed your opinion on Stevens, your opinion should be the same as it was then: these issues are on the players and the captain. If your opinion has not changed then you're just trying to start a petty argument on the internet. And like I said before, I think you're a little to old to be doing something like that.

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Going to shut this now. The thread is getting heated and wrong direction. Chill out a bit. Please.

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Because coaching, whether good or bad, is an important aspect of any team, the moderating staff has decided to reopen this thread for discussion. However, be warned: This thread is strictly for the discussion of coaching. Posts attacking other users will not be tolerated. Posts meant to incite other users will not be tolerated. Keep it clean, respectful, and civil. If you don't you will likely end up banned from the thread. To quote Pulp Fiction: Be cool.

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I don't have a problem with the job Laviolette has done so far. As others have pointed out, Laviolette has had to make do with some traumatic injuries, a bunch of new players, and an all world goalie who has been terrible. As a result, this is a team still trying to find it's identity.

My only complaint with Laviolette so far has been his constant changing of lines 2 and 3 and his handling of Couturier and Schenn. I know people are going to say that both guys are young and they want to limit their minutes yada yada yada. But these aren't just two regular rookie players - these are exceptionally talented rookie players and one of them was even touted as the best prospect not playing in the NHL. Laviolette's handling of Couturier's ice time has been deplorable and he's failed to put Schenn in a position to succeed. That falls squarely on Peter's shoulders.

Schenn has also had some unworldly expectations placed on his shoulders that the Flyers have failed to shield him from. In all fairness, they needed to give Schenn the Giroux treatment - leave him in the AHL for half a season to tear it up and then make room for him 35 games into the season.

I will say this in Peter's defense though - Matt Read has been fantastic, Erik Gustafsson looks like he's going to be a solid top four contributor, and Marc Andre Bourdon has played very well and is learning to play within his boundaries. On top of it, Jakub Voracek has become one of the better two way players under Laviolette's watch (if Laviolette could only help Voracek develop a better shot, he'd be a top line winger) and the veterans seem to respond to him.

I have no qualms with the job Laviolette has done and it's clear that his mission this year isn't about winning the Stanley Cup, it's about developing young players and keeping the environment competitive. I'd say he's done a fantastic job on that part.

One last thing - Laviolette really needs to find out how to utilize Briere and find a way to get him going again.

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