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01-20-2012, 06:14 PM
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Why was he on the verge ti cry then when he knew he was traded?
I think he's talking about the team. Team and city are different entities.

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01-20-2012, 06:16 PM
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spacegoat might be telling the truth but he's a hypocrite. i'm too lazy to find the article, but 2 months ago in la presses he said he loved it here and hoped to get a contract extension

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spacegoat might be telling the truth but he's a hypocrite. i'm too lazy to find the article, but 2 months ago in la presses he said he loved it here and hoped to get a contract extension
2 months ago was a different era. There was a lot less ******** and we were contending for the playoffs.

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01-20-2012, 06:23 PM
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Yeah. It's all the medias fault if we lose. Good team, managed by good people = Less media circus. So in Montreal, just be sure you have a respective team. But no. Let's blame the media. Medias are responsible for how we play. Thing is there are a lot of media in Boston. Probably the reason why they suck too.

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Can't blame him.

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01-20-2012, 06:41 PM
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Can't blame him.
Can't blame him? Wow....I didn't read that "Can't blame him" stuff when some francos had the nerve to make comments like that after they were gone. Double standards rides again.

Oh and one one side, he says that he understands that hockey is #1 in Montreal and in Quebec and that people are proud....but call the french coach thing "Crap"? Yeah, what's crap Jaro is that your stupid GM didn't recognize how proud it makes those people from Quebec to see a Quebecer or somebody who has the decency to learn the language if not Quebecer in charge of their favorite team in hockey. That's disconnected right there.

There is a big mess indeed. Was entirely created by Mister Improvisation Gauthier. Assisted by Mister 5-year plans Gainey.

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01-20-2012, 06:51 PM
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How can this be?

Martin was such a great coach for the Habs and Gauthier is our average GM who should not be replaced.
Nice try. But the circus is actually run by the media and the fans.

If Martin had anything to do with it, it's trying to attenuate it.

Yeah right, the media has no effect on the team whatsoever. That same media that can control how an entire population of a country thinks and votes. Get real. Good player and good people would have no problem? Really? You mean PERFECT player and people, right? Because these guys have little margin for error. Good may become bad for a moment and then you're in trouble with all the magnification and the sense of entitlement here. Who are we kidding? Good is not enough here. But keep the self-patting going for how passionate and great a group of fans you are. About Boston, how long have they waited for the Cup again?


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01-20-2012, 06:53 PM
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How did this become another threat about Gauthier.
It didn't, but even if it did. The habs management hasn't exactly put down the circus flames. Mid game trades to mixed concepts on coach language. I mean, it added fuel to the fire. The media always starts **** out of nothing and it's a big problem here, that isn't gauthier's fault. Weird things gauthier does. Firing coaches before a game, trading players mid game. Honestly, it makes us look like a circus.

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01-20-2012, 06:56 PM
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Nice try. But the circus is actually run by the media and the fans.

If Martin had anything to do with it, it's trying to attenuate it.

Yeah right, the media has no effect on the team whatsoever. That same media that can control how an entire population of a country thinks and votes. Get real. Good player and good people would have no problem? Really? You mean PERFECT player and people, right? Because these guys have little margin for error. Good may become bad for a moment and then you're in trouble with all the magnification and the sense of entitlement here. Who are we kidding? Good is not enough here.
Circus happens mostly when you lose and suck. It can happen in some other occasions "See the Kosty-Hamrlik" story, but mostly, it does happen when things aren't going well. So are you telling me that the medias are responsible for things not going well? And the fans? Why? Because they vent in a hockey board or because they boo at the Bell Centre? Wonder why they boo, the Habs are giving them such a great show at home. It's surely not what they should be doing but you really call this running the circus? Where's this great management responsabilities in this?

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2 months ago was a different era. There was a lot less ******** and we were contending for the playoffs.
Yeah a lot of teams are out of playoffs contention in November

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01-20-2012, 07:03 PM
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spacegoat might be telling the truth but he's a hypocrite. i'm too lazy to find the article, but 2 months ago in la presses he said he loved it here and hoped to get a contract extension
Don't confuse the city, the team, and the circus. Montreal is an incredible place to play. Fans are passionate and knowledgable. The player are kings in the city even when times are bad but when the team is winning they literally own the town.

The circus.... even in Toronto or Vancouver where Hockey fans are equally rabid there is no where near the soap opera.

As an example, I'm watching RDS right now and they quote Spacek.... who cares.... he's gone but they're vilifying him because he's a unilingual anglophone and doesn't understand the situation.

This is the circus. It's never just about the hockey... which is horrible... but it's also the extra crap surrounding the team. We're losing it must be because there are no francos on the team and those that are here aren't getting a chance.... It wouldn't be a problem if they kept to hockey, but the press always have to use the french angle. Yes it sells papers...but it's also costing the team... if Molson can't see that then he's an idiot.

I can't wait for Quebec City to get a team, something to divide the absurd attention of the french media. The English media aren't much better but mostly they stick to uninformed rhetoric about hockey.

Spacek might not have been a great player here, but he almost single-handedly shut Ovi down 2 years ago and he's very well liked by all teammates. Molson would do well to listen to opinions like his and shield the team somewhat from the insanity.

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01-20-2012, 07:07 PM
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To see the circus, one needs to look no further than at management this season.

The media its more freak show than circus.

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01-20-2012, 07:09 PM
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Tell us something we don't know Jaro. Who wouldn't be glad to be out of this mess?

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Circus happens mostly when you lose and suck. It can happen in some other occasions "See the Kosty-Hamrlik" story, but mostly, it does happen when things aren't going well. So are you telling me that the medias are responsible for things not going well? And the fans? Why? Because they vent in a hockey board or because they boo at the Bell Centre? Wonder why they boo, the Habs are giving them such a great show at home. It's surely not what they should be doing but you really call this running the circus? Where's this great management responsabilities in this?
Simple: media magnifies stuff and creates distractions. Fans consume media. Media creates more stories and drama to feed that fanbase. Whenever things are not going well, and it WILL happen, that whole "circus" makes it worse. Players, management, organization, however they want to make believe they are not affected to show their professionalism, they are affected, and at different degree. Media and fans don't necessarily start the bad stuff but the magnification makes it harder for the team to get out of it.

Management becomes part of the circus as soon as it makes decisions based on what happens in that very circus.

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Don't confuse the city, the team, and the circus. Montreal is an incredible place to play. Fans are passionate and knowledgable. The player are kings in the city even when times are bad but when the team is winning they literally own the town.

The circus.... even in Toronto or Vancouver where Hockey fans are equally rabid there is no where near the soap opera.

As an example, I'm watching RDS right now and they quote Spacek.... who cares.... he's gone but they're vilifying him because he's a unilingual anglophone and doesn't understand the situation.

This is the circus. It's never just about the hockey... which is horrible... but it's also the extra crap surrounding the team. We're losing it must be because there are no francos on the team and those that are here aren't getting a chance.... It wouldn't be a problem if they kept to hockey, but the press always have to use the french angle. Yes it sells papers...but it's also costing the team... if Molson can't see that then he's an idiot.

I can't wait for Quebec City to get a team, something to divide the absurd attention of the french media. The English media aren't much better but mostly they stick to uninformed rhetoric about hockey.

Spacek might not have been a great player here, but he almost single-handedly shut Ovi down 2 years ago and he's very well liked by all teammates. Molson would do well to listen to opinions like his and shield the team somewhat from the insanity.
Sorry but again an opinion that prooves that you don't understand how it's working here. Nordiques will NOT divide the people. You'll not only have real Nordiques fans who will gladly come over and bash the Habs. You'll have Habs fans really dissapoitned if the Nords are doing better and they can't shut them up. And then you'll have Habs fans where their only fun will be to bash the Habs and mostly if the Nords are doing better. The circus will be even stronger. People who wish the Nords to come back will be up for an incredibly rude awakening.

As far as the french angle, well, again, if you would have had a management who would have recognized that, there would not have been a circus to begin with. The day you have a management who frankly does it on purpose, well THEY become responsible for it. They decided to show everybody how it has to be done....and now they'll be shown the door leaving a big mess behind them. Besides, people do talk about it from time to time, but having more franco players were not even a discussion at this point prior to the Cunneyworth hiring. It THEN become one when people realized that NEVER in the history of the team, did we have such a few representation of local players. So Gauthier and Co eradicate the local players and now by not keeping Martin in, did it for the coach. Add the simple fact that we are almost as bad as the last 90's and you have the perfect recipe for failure.

So yes, RDS aren't happy because of his comments. Just like tons of people who were bashing Lats and Co for their comments. That's called the 2 solitudes going at it. This is what is special about this province whether people like it or not. It's the constant "battle" between 2 nations with what is great about this (this board for example filled with francos and anglos) and the bad....And when you have to manageTHE most important thing in this province aside from Star Académie, you need to be aware of this situation. Is it harder than some other teams? Yes. But is it possible to deal with it? Absolutely. With the right people. Not the ones we have now.

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01-20-2012, 07:16 PM
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Simple: media magnifies stuff and creates distractions. Fans consume media. Media creates more stories and drama to feed that fanbase. Whenever things are not going well, and it WILL happen, that whole "circus" makes it worse. Players, management, organization, however they want to make believe they are not affected to show their professionalism, they are affected, and at different degree. Media and fans don't necessarily start the bad stuff but the magnification makes it harder for the team to get out of it.

Management becomes part of the circus as soon as it makes decisions based on what happens in that very circus.
It's going to be the same in ALL major market in ALL major sports.
The only difference in Montreal is the language controversy.

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Can't blame him? Wow....I didn't read that "Can't blame him" stuff when some francos had the nerve to make comments like that after they were gone. Double standards rides again.

Oh and one one side, he says that he understands that hockey is #1 in Montreal and in Quebec and that people are proud....but call the french coach thing "Crap"? Yeah, what's crap Jaro is that your stupid GM didn't recognize how proud it makes those people from Quebec to see a Quebecer or somebody who has the decency to learn the language if not Quebecer in charge of their favorite team in hockey. That's disconnected right there.

There is a big mess indeed. Was entirely created by Mister Improvisation Gauthier. Assisted by Mister 5-year plans Gainey.
Oh please, get over it. Decency to learn the language? What do you think Cunneyworth is doing? It takes time to learn a language. I'm sick and tired of this language debate ********. Enough already.

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Simple: media magnifies stuff and creates distractions. Fans consume media. Media creates more stories and drama to feed that fanbase. Whenever things are not going well, and it WILL happen, that whole "circus" makes it worse. Players, management, organization, however they want to make believe they are not affected to show their professionalism, they are affected, and at different degree. Media and fans don't necessarily start the bad stuff but the magnification makes it harder for the team to get out of it.

Management becomes part of the circus as soon as it makes decisions based on what happens in that very circus.
Yeah and we finished 1st in the conference with Carbo. And had a 3rd round with Halak. As far as I'm concerned, we had medias at the time and they also had stories to report. Spacek talks about how he's happy to be out of that circus THIS YEAR. A circus that was created by Gauthier for not understanding what this market is all about. Any medias whether they are from Toronto, New York or Montreal do not need to be given such a story. Gauthier was kind enough of they give it to them and they are not going to jump on it?

See, there was a story when Halak was traded. And Price was indeed booed during the 1st preseason game based on how people loved Halak, based on how the medias turned this and all and yet.....Price started to win. And it eventually shut up everybody. So just be a pro, and shut up everybody. If you can't, well you expose yourself to what this city is all about. By the way, what OTHERS cities are all about as well. In tons of different sports. The Nordiques won't settle anything. People are just misinformed to think that. But the day the Expos comes back, and that we have an NFL team.....then we might be able to move on. Which means.....NEVER. So people better get use to it. And management should deal accordingly. You need to buy some time 'cause you suck? Well you don't settle like getting Jean Perron or get Patrick Traverse, but you give the fans what they want. Some good representation which is entirely possible of doing. And you build the rest of your team slowly but surely. We are kings in slowly but surely, it has been 18 years now.

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Oh please, get over it. Decency to learn the language? What do you think Cunneyworth is doing? It takes time to learn a language. I'm sick and tired of this language debate ********. Enough already.
Sick of the language debate? Sorry, that's what this province is all about. Better get use to it. And by "learning the language", I mean people might not only aim for pure local Quebecer, but would clearly settle for the Marc Crawford, Scotty Bowman and others who has english as their primary language. I'm not bashing Cunneyworth. I was against the Martin firing. But if you have to fire him and you don't want to go outside of your organization, while most other teams did, well you have no choice to take Cunneyworth. But at this point, Cunneyworth is not even in the debate here. He can't win games. That's just enough to settle that debate no matter what language he speaks.

By the way, that's a Spacek thread. A thread where "circus" has been mentioned. And where the circus was only about the french crap as he mentioned. So you don't want to talk language? Choose another thread.

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He definitely isn't a "true guy with class" after having said that.

A classy person would have just made something up and said he enjoyed his time here or something even if it meant to lie about it.

Spacek lost a lot of points with that one.

you know society's eff'd when you loose peoples respect when you tell the TRUTH!!!

whats wrong with you people?

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Sick of the language debate? Sorry, that's what this province is all about. Better get use to it. And by "learning the language", I mean people might not only aim for pure local Quebecer, but would clearly settle for the Marc Crawford, Scotty Bowman and others who has english as their primary language. I'm not bashing Cunneyworth. I was against the Martin firing. But if you have to fire him and you don't want to go outside of your organization, while most other teams did, well you have no choice to take Cunneyworth. But at this point, Cunneyworth is not even in the debate here. He can't win games. That's just enough to settle that debate no matter what language he speaks.

By the way, that's a Spacek thread. A thread where "circus" has been mentioned. And where the circus was only about the french crap as he mentioned. So you don't want to talk language? Choose another thread.
The circus regarding a language issue was not about sensible francophone Habs fans presenting a persuasive arguement for a bilingual coach.

The circus was the media's response to a handful of extremists.

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Sick of the language debate? Sorry, that's what this province is all about. Better get use to it. And by "learning the language", I mean people might not only aim for pure local Quebecer, but would clearly settle for the Marc Crawford, Scotty Bowman and others who has english as their primary language. I'm not bashing Cunneyworth. I was against the Martin firing. But if you have to fire him and you don't want to go outside of your organization, while most other teams did, well you have no choice to take Cunneyworth. But at this point, Cunneyworth is not even in the debate here. He can't win games. That's just enough to settle that debate no matter what language he speaks.

By the way, that's a Spacek thread. A thread where "circus" has been mentioned. And where the circus was only about the french crap as he mentioned. So you don't want to talk language? Choose another thread.
You don't consider firing assistant coaches before a game and trading players mid game circus material? I mean, surely it isn't fine and dandy but problem is, it's not only thing. Habs players are calling out the team's attitude on games and you're saying the only circus is language? There's more to it than language.

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You don't consider firing assistant coaches before a game and trading players mid game circus material? I mean, surely it isn't fine and dandy but problem is, it's not only thing. Habs players are calling out the team's attitude on games and you're saying the only circus is language? There's more to it than language.
Oh ABSOLUTELY. I keep saying that Gauthier created that mess and circus. It's just that for some people and actually the way Spacek spoke about it, the real circus was all about the Cunneyworth don't speak french thing. Which they all beleive was solely created by the medias. This is what I'm talking about. But don't get me wrong. Gauthier has a whole lot of responsabilities into this. I keep saying that for a long time now.

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