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Beauchemin extension means Visnovsky in play?

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01-20-2012, 06:22 PM
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Visnovsky can only be in play so much. First, he's owed a very fair $3M in actual salary next year, regardless of his $5.6M cap hit. That's important to a team like the Ducks, who operate on a budget. Second, he has a full NMC until July 1st. That puts him in total control of where they can trade him, limiting their options.

The Ducks aren't pressed for cap space, so that $5.6M cap hit won't hurt them. I see no reason why they should trade him for anything but overpayment. Keeping him allows flexibility. They should only trade him if too good an offer comes along that helps them in the present and/or future that they would be foolish saying no to.

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01-20-2012, 06:22 PM
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I hope the Ducks trade him as he was a favorite of mine on the Kings and it kills me to see him in a Ducks jersey. That being said, the Ducks don't exactly have Dmen coming out of their ears, and it's not like Vis makes a ton compared to what he brings to the team. I'm guessing them move him only if the buyer blows them away with an offer.

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01-20-2012, 06:23 PM
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This is stupid. Why would it make Visnovsky available? They play completely different roles. If anything this means Lydman is gone.
Because the Ducks are way out of the playoffs, and could hand the ball to Fowler, and acquire a bunch of youth to try and turn it around in the next 2 years? They aren't competing this year. LeBrun is usually right.

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01-20-2012, 06:34 PM
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Because the Ducks are way out of the playoffs, and could hand the ball to Fowler, and acquire a bunch of youth to try and turn it around in the next 2 years? They aren't competing this year. LeBrun is usually right.
He is signed next year and believe it or not but 19 year old defensemen should not be #1 PMD on an NHL team. It can only hurt his development. Our prospect pool may be better now then it ever has been. He LOVES California. I can totally see him resigning for another 2 years after this contract is up.

Believe it or not but people who play in California usually love it here.

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Because the Ducks are way out of the playoffs, and could hand the ball to Fowler, and acquire a bunch of youth to try and turn it around in the next 2 years? They aren't competing this year. LeBrun is usually right.
However, they want to be back competing next year, and Visnovsky @ $3M is going to help a lot in that regard. It's not impossible, but nobody should be shocked if he remained a Duck.

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would a visnovsky for Volchenkov work?

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would a visnovsky for Volchenkov work?
Volchenkov would still put us in the same bind with Fowler.

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01-20-2012, 06:55 PM
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i think he is gonna stay. Lydman on the other hand...

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would a visnovsky for Volchenkov work?
I wnat no part of that contract. 4.25 mil for 5 years for him? Hello no.

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I wnat no part of that contract. 4.25 mil for 5 years for him? Hello no.
Don't think the Ducks could afford him anyway. He's not being traded. NTC and we'll gladly keep him. Our PK is the way it is thanks to him and he's a core member.

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The Bruins or Penguins, maybe? Is Letang still out?
Pens can't afford his cap hit for next year (and have no room in their top 4) unless salary and a D are headed back. Pens pass.

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Believe it or not but people who play in California usually love it here.
California is a great place to be when you've got a lot of money.

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I just tweeted LeBrun about what the Devils would have to give to acquire him, but obviously he wouldn't answer that.

Tallinder (regardless of injury)
Palmieri
2nd

I'm not too good at trade proposals
Minimum is Tallinder, Merill, 2nd.

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Minimum is Tallinder, Merill, 2nd.
Sold.

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Sold.


He's a Leafs fan, I think.

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Don't the Ducks have a hard internal budget they are working with? If so, they will only trade Visnovsky if he asks for a trade I think. He's making significantly less than his cap hit, so that helps the team financially. Plus, he has had a bit of an off year, you could probably keep him and get the same value for him next year at the deadline if he has a bounce back season...or for your playoff run, in that same scenario.

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1st + Tedenby/Urbom for Visnovsky, and we swap 2nd round picks.

If you want an NHLer back, Tallinder is available, although he's currently out long term with a blood clot problem. So too could be Andy Greene, although he'd probably cost more.

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Sold.
I'm really, really reluctant to deal Merrill right now. I'd rather deal Urbom or Gelinas, who are closer to the NHL and we have no roster spots for them.

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I've never though Lebrun was the smartest guy in the world, but I thought he was smarter then this. I don't see how Beauchemin has ANYTHING to do with Lubo. This doesn't change potential availability for Lubo at all. I'm not saying Lubo isn't available, but this signing didn't change a thing.

Lubo is not an elite player anymore, but he's still a great player, and and at 3 million next year, he's extremely valuable to the Ducks. There's not one player the Ducks could obtain this offseason at 3 million that would come close to Lubo. He won't be traded unless the offer is just too good to pass up. He's not going to go for a late first and a decent prospect. Only way I see him going is if it's for a young top 4 defenseman. I say the chance of him going anywhere are slim to none. He's more likely to be moved next offseason or possibily the draft.

The one that this re-signing effects is Lydman. He was already considered availabe, but this means he's even more available. Lydman may have needed to be kept in case Beauchemin left in free agency. Now since he's locked up, Murray won't hesitate to move him.

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Visnovsky is available because the Ducks have 2 A+ offensive defenseman on the way with Schultz and Vatanen. Schultz is likely on the team next year and he can take over Lubo's PP time.

We have no defensive Dman which means we need Lydman more unless we get another one through FA

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Visnovsky is available because the Ducks have 2 A+ offensive defenseman on the way with Schultz and Vatanen. Schultz is likely on the team next year and he can take over Lubo's PP time.

We have no defensive Dman which means we need Lydman more unless we get another one through FA
Neither of those two will be on the team full time next season barring something unbelievable happening.

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Visnovsky is available because the Ducks have 2 A+ offensive defenseman on the way with Schultz and Vatanen. Schultz is likely on the team next year and he can take over Lubo's PP time.

We have no defensive Dman which means we need Lydman more unless we get another one through FA
Typical HF thinking.

Neither one of those guys have played a game at the AHL level yet, and not only are you saying they can replace a great top 4 defenseman in Lubo, but they can take his PP time as well? No, that's not how the NHL life works. Murray has failed miserably by thinking Sbisa was further along then he was a few years ago (that's why Beauchemin wasn't re-signed). The two you mentioned have proven much less then he had at the time.

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Visnovsky is available because the Ducks have 2 A+ offensive defenseman on the way with Schultz and Vatanen. Schultz is likely on the team next year and he can take over Lubo's PP time.

We have no defensive Dman which means we need Lydman more unless we get another one through FA
Because prospects always work out huh?

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Typical HF thinking.

Neither one of those guys have played a game at the AHL level yet, and not only are you saying they can replace a great top 4 defenseman in Lubo, but they can take his PP time as well? No, that's not how the NHL life works. Murray has failed miserably by thinking Sbisa was further along then he was a few years ago (that's why Beauchemin wasn't re-signed). The two you mentioned have proven much less then he had at the time.
I clearly said PP time and not top 4 time. Schultz is a whole nother animal on the PP, he can easily handle it. I said Schultz is likely to be on the team next year, not Vatanen who will likely spend a year or more in the AHL.

You must be right...thinking that the BEST defenseman in the NCAA can't make the jump straight to the NHL is absurd, just stupid thinking.

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would St.Louis make a play for him?

maybe 1st + Ponich or something?

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