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Leafs might recall Korbinian Holzer from the AHL and trade a defenceman very soon

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01-22-2012, 11:09 AM
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Holzer is not better than anyone of our current 8 defencemen.

Sorry to disapoint you guys!

He may turn out a bit better than Aulie, but there's a reason why he's not up here. And he may look great in the AHL but in the NHL he will not look as good.

I'm still confident that Gunnarson is going to be traded though. He is the perfect type of player that other teams will want (considering his play, salary cap etc.)
Why would you say that he's not going to be good in the NHL? He plays a stay at home, defensive game and is good physically and has good mobility. He won't be a star, but he should be a reliable bottom 4 defenseman.

He has played well in all the high level competition that he's played in. He was a top defenseman for Germany at the Olympics and World Championships and looked good for the Leafs last year in his two games and in preseason.

So please tell me why he won't be good in the NHL.

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01-22-2012, 11:10 AM
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You are like Don Cherry, you make 1000 statements and the one time you do get something right you rub it in everyone's faces saying, "I TOLD YA SO!"

Weren't you the one who said Lupul was a stop-gap?
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01-22-2012, 11:14 AM
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Out of those three, I'm praying its Komo that gets dealt.

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Komisarek + a low pick for Malone. ?

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01-22-2012, 11:23 AM
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imagine how big and slow tampa's D would look with komisarek

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01-22-2012, 11:38 AM
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Out of those three, I'm praying its Komo that gets dealt.
it wont be Komi going.....it will be one of schenn,gunnarsson and possibly aulie.....if anyone has noticed he has sat the last couple games in favor of a struggling gardiner.

if we want a good player in a return we will have to give up assests. i think many of the people here are forgetting that burke wont make a trade for the hell of it, if he makes a trade he has said it would be for an impact player, as well as mentioning we are small down the middle. to me this screams big center or winger.


FYI---Burke missed AHL classic because flight was delayed out of chicago yestersday

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01-22-2012, 11:57 AM
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The name "Korbinian" has the value of a first round pick, all on it's own. Add in the players talent, control, size and youth, and overall he's worth a first and a second.

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01-22-2012, 11:59 AM
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The name "Korbinian" has the value of a first round pick, all on it's own. Add in the players talent, control, size and youth, and overall he's worth a first and a second.
burke isnt going to trade for just a pick ! what dont people get ! burke is looking for a PFW with scoring ability

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01-22-2012, 12:03 PM
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What is up to you guys. Schenn is exactly the kind of player we need in the playoffs. Sure he's not playing well but look at the other player drafted around him:

Luke Schenn: 1-12-13 2 153 hts, 69 bks, 25 Giveaway, 23 takeway
Drew Doughty: 3-17-20 2 77 hts, 39 bks, 45 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
PK Subban: 3-16-19 0 59 hts, 66 bks, 48 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
Alex Pietrangelo: 8-16-24 41 hts, 66 bks, 25 Giveaway, 25 takeaway
Zach Bogosian: 3-16-19 -5 83 hts, 71 bks, 27 Giveaway, 9 takeaway

I know none of them are defensive defenseman, but take a look at that giveaway takeaway ratio. Luke Schenn has definitely improved that from last season. Not only that look at his numbers. That is pretty impressive for a guy who doesn't even have pp time. My point is that all defenseman goes through slump. Luke Schenn I think he's gonna blossom at mid 20's. The problem with leaf nation is that they want to see every player doing good and if not, there a whipping boy. Schenn a defensive defenseman so it takes time for him to develop just like any player. If burke trade schenn unless for a legit 1 centre, it is going to be his biggest mistake ever.

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anaheim has won 7 of 8
and the big 3 are getting some points now

still if they are cheap and want to save money...
BB will be there for them

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What is up to you guys. Schenn is exactly the kind of player we need in the playoffs. Sure he's not playing well but look at the other player drafted around him:

Luke Schenn: 1-12-13 2 153 hts, 69 bks, 25 Giveaway, 23 takeway
Drew Doughty: 3-17-20 2 77 hts, 39 bks, 45 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
PK Subban: 3-16-19 0 59 hts, 66 bks, 48 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
Alex Pietrangelo: 8-16-24 41 hts, 66 bks, 25 Giveaway, 25 takeaway
Zach Bogosian: 3-16-19 -5 83 hts, 71 bks, 27 Giveaway, 9 takeaway

I know none of them are defensive defenseman, but take a look at that giveaway takeaway ratio. Luke Schenn has definitely improved that from last season. Not only that look at his numbers. That is pretty impressive for a guy who doesn't even have pp time. My point is that all defenseman goes through slump. Luke Schenn I think he's gonna blossom at mid 20's. The problem with leaf nation is that they want to see every player doing good and if not, there a whipping boy. Schenn a defensive defenseman so it takes time for him to develop just like any player. If burke trade schenn unless for a legit 1 centre, it is going to be his biggest mistake ever.
I agree with that, and it's a shame that when Schenn does have a derp moment, It's usually in a critical time of the game. Also, Schenn's ice-time deduction gives us too many ideas that he won't be reliable. But, with Phaneuf, Liles and Gunnarson, i can see why Schenn gets limited ice-time. There's just not enough room for Schenn to display himself, unlike last year.

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What is up to you guys. Schenn is exactly the kind of player we need in the playoffs. Sure he's not playing well but look at the other player drafted around him:

Luke Schenn: 1-12-13 2 153 hts, 69 bks, 25 Giveaway, 23 takeway
Drew Doughty: 3-17-20 2 77 hts, 39 bks, 45 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
PK Subban: 3-16-19 0 59 hts, 66 bks, 48 Giveaway, 14 takeaway
Alex Pietrangelo: 8-16-24 41 hts, 66 bks, 25 Giveaway, 25 takeaway
Zach Bogosian: 3-16-19 -5 83 hts, 71 bks, 27 Giveaway, 9 takeaway

I know none of them are defensive defenseman, but take a look at that giveaway takeaway ratio. Luke Schenn has definitely improved that from last season. Not only that look at his numbers. That is pretty impressive for a guy who doesn't even have pp time. My point is that all defenseman goes through slump. Luke Schenn I think he's gonna blossom at mid 20's. The problem with leaf nation is that they want to see every player doing good and if not, there a whipping boy. Schenn a defensive defenseman so it takes time for him to develop just like any player. If burke trade schenn unless for a legit 1 centre, it is going to be his biggest mistake ever.
What are the other players avg. ice time per game though? I bet most of them are playing 5-10 mins a game more than Schenn.

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01-22-2012, 12:21 PM
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What are the other players avg. ice time per game though? I bet most of them are playing 5-10 mins a game more than Schenn.
also means schenn would get more blocked shots, hits and takeaways

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What are the other players avg. ice time per game though? I bet most of them are playing 5-10 mins a game more than Schenn.
Luke Schenn: 16:27
Drew Doughty: 24:50
PK Subban: 23:55
Alex Pietrangelo: 24:08
Zach Bogosian: 23:45

Wow. All of those player have played 6-7 minutes more than schenn yet schenn displace better stats then anyone of them.

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also means schenn would get more blocked shots, hits and takeaways
Yup and more points. Its laughable how player want him out so much. Doughty is definetly not playing well this season, do you see him in trade rumours? No. Same can be applied to everyone of those defenseman. The reason why they don't wanna trade them, because they have patience unlike we do. I gurrantee Schenn will be better than any of our defenseman in 2-3 years. You don't just go and trade your core player. I'm sure burke is smart enough to know this and hopefully wont trade him.

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Luke Schenn: 16:27
Drew Doughty: 24:50
PK Subban: 23:55
Alex Pietrangelo: 24:08
Zach Bogosian: 23:45

Wow. All of those player have played 6-7 minutes more than schenn yet schenn displace better stats then anyone of them.
I would take any of them over Schenn. They're all top pairing guys on their respective teams, and go up against the other teams top players.

Schenn is a bottom pairing guy on this team and doesn't even get much time on special teams. Woooo he hits people. I'd prefer if he could help our PK, which you'd expect from the so called defensive stud. But he can't even crack our PK lineup on a regular basis.

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anaheim has won 7 of 8
and the big 3 are getting some points now

still if they are cheap and want to save money...
BB will be there for them
WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD BUT

what about Patrick Kane??? no one has thought of aquiring this guy at all. now i realise this is far fetched BUT burkes trades come out of no where.....he would be a high impact player and he missed the outdoor classic ...meaning he still went to chicago....

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Luke Schenn: 16:27
Drew Doughty: 24:50
PK Subban: 23:55
Alex Pietrangelo: 24:08
Zach Bogosian: 23:45

Wow. All of those player have played 6-7 minutes more than schenn yet schenn displace better stats then anyone of them.
being sheltered will do that for you.

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I would take any of them over Schenn. They're all top pairing guys on their respective teams, and go up against the other teams top players.

Schenn is a bottom pairing guy on this team and doesn't even get much time on special teams. Woooo he hits people. I'd prefer if he could help our PK, which you'd expect from the so called defensive stud. But he can't even crack our PK lineup on a regular basis.
Subban over Schenn? You're an idiot. Simple, don't both commenting in this thread. Subban is a CANCER. Fights with his own teammates, turns over teh puck, can't keep his mouth shut. He's awful. I'd take Schenn over subban anyday.

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Luke Schenn: 16:27
Drew Doughty: 24:50
PK Subban: 23:55
Alex Pietrangelo: 24:08
Zach Bogosian: 23:45

Wow. All of those player have played 6-7 minutes more than schenn yet schenn displace better stats then anyone of them.
Except most of those guys are in a 1A/B situation playing against the opponents' top players. And by 'better stats' I assume you mean less giveaways? But you're going to have less giveaways when you play less... Also when you're a defensive-defenseman who isn't trying to create offense.

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yeah why did burke go to chicago ?

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[QUOTE=p.l.f.;42908507]yeah why did burke go to chicago ?[/QUOTE

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