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Paul Stastny to Montreal!

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01-22-2012, 01:09 PM
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I don't see anything on Montreal that I would want or they would be willing to move for Stastny.

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Im not sure why everyone mentions subban????? really an apparent locker room cancer.... to a team who doesn't need anymore small young offensive defensemen..... May I personally say no thank you

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01-22-2012, 01:27 PM
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Do some research about the players you're trying to acquire through internet proposals before signing on for the day. Plekanec is at least is good, likely much better defensively you cheeky kid.

Stastny plays 31 seconds of SH-time per game, on average this season.

Mr. Plekanec, on the other hand, plays 2 mins and 52 seconds per game shorthanded, playing on the 3rd best PK in the league.

LMAO @ thinking Stastny is better than Plekanec defensively.

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I just want to call on your team stats would be a pker(edit sorry that may be presumptuous),,,,, we have a rediculously good set of pk specialist.......McClemment, Winnik, O'Reilly, Landeskog, and then Stastny..... If you dont need to use offensive players on the pk you generally dont


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01-22-2012, 01:31 PM
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Actually, that is not as "trollish" as you would make it sound depending upon where the 1st ends up. Stastny and Plekanec are fairly equal in value. A top 3 pick for Duchene is probably slightly better value for Colorado. Landeskog is definitely more valuabe than Eller. Montreal wins that deal, but not by so much as to make it a "trollish" post. You don't have to like it, but let's not get carried away.
No I would say trying to dismantle a teams rebuild to start it over again would be a troll......... just saying

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01-22-2012, 02:00 PM
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Im not sure why everyone mentions subban????? really an apparent locker room cancer.... to a team who doesn't need anymore small young offensive defensemen..... May I personally say no thank you
Actually, he is NOT a locker room cancer nor is he really small unless being 6' and 206 pounds counts as small. When you look at the number of hits he delivers, the blocked shots, the ToI, his point producing ability, the fact he agitates the other team, etc...there are lots of reasons why knowledgeable hockey people want to get P.K. on their team.

I am glad YOU would say "no thank you", but since it is an offer that would never happen it is entirely unnecessary. You might want to learn at least SOMETHING about a player before you try and prove your intelligence by "wittily" dismissing him out of hand on a public forum where your ignorance can be highlighted quite easily.

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Actually, that is not as "trollish" as you would make it sound depending upon where the 1st ends up. Stastny and Plekanec are fairly equal in value. A top 3 pick for Duchene is probably slightly better value for Colorado. Landeskog is definitely more valuabe than Eller. Montreal wins that deal, but not by so much as
to make it a "trollish" post. You don't have to like it, but let's not get carried away.
Actually, it is. Look at healthfilms previous threads and you'll realize he is a huge troll. This is just another example. In terms of value Stastny>Plekanac. Not a huge difference, but it's still there. Duchene>>>1st(how could you possibly think that favors Colorado: Sorry to tell you, but 2nd overall picks who've already scored more than 60 points are more valuable than an unknow pick) And Landeskog>>Eller. In this Cade your looking at Landeskog's potential, which is pretty high. Sorry to tell you this, but two 2nd overall picks can net you more than an unknown 1st, Plekanac, and Eller. Forget Stastny.

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I wouldn't trade Plekanec straight up for Stastny. I wouldn't be that upset if the trade happened but I also understand Av fans not liking the trade.

I would go Pacioretty + a 2nd (Av choice 2012, 2013 or 2013 Calgary) plus I would throw in a 2nd tier prospect like Kristo or DD.

Centres are worth more than wingers, that is why I am adding what I'm adding.

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Actually, it is. Look at healthfilms previous threads and you'll realize he is a huge troll. This is just another example. In terms of value Stastny>Plekanac. Not a huge difference, but it's still there. Duchene>>>1st(how could you possibly think that favors Colorado: Sorry to tell you, but 2nd overall picks who've already scored more than 60 points are more valuable than an unknow pick) And Landeskog>>Eller. In this Cade your looking at Landeskog's potential, which is pretty high. Sorry to tell you this, but two 2nd overall picks can net you more than an unknown 1st, Plekanac, and Eller. Forget Stastny.
Duchene was 3rd overall. Just saying. Plekanec and Stastny are a wash, honestly. Any difference couldn't be quantified in a trade. Let's say, for the sake of argument that the first in question is the same used to pick Duchene, 3rd overall. That's not a deal Colorado makes. Duchene hasn't been a disappointment for where he was picked. Unless there are three absolutely, 100% can't miss prospects in a given draft, it would be stupid to trade a proven and still developing player in Duchene for a pick that could turn out to be as good as him, possibly, and set the team back again waiting for said pick to develop. Why do it? Colorado gets no net benefit from this trade. Even if you consider Eller an improvement over Landeskog, that doesn't make up for the dialing back Colorado does.

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No thanks to Plekanec. He's essentially a poor man's Stastny.

I know a lot of people are down on Stastny, but people should understand that he is playing for an inexperienced coach, and that he is a playmaker who is without quality finishers. Now that Mueller is back Stastny looks like he is ready to turn the corner on a bad first half of the season.

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I wouldn't trade Plekanec straight up for Stastny. I wouldn't be that upset if the trade happened but I also understand Av fans not liking the trade.

I would go Pacioretty + a 2nd (Av choice 2012, 2013 or 2013 Calgary) plus I would throw in a 2nd tier prospect like Kristo or DD.

Centres are worth more than wingers, that is why I am adding what I'm adding.
I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole.
We get hosed.

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I wouldn't touch that one with a 10 foot pole.
We get hosed.
That's what he's worth. If he ever goes on the open market (and not as a rental), that's about what I think he'll fetch. If we traded Plekanec that's what I would want in trade for him, if we couldn't get a decent top 4 d-man instead.

Would anyone know what a similar player to Stastny was recently traded for.

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That's what he's worth. If he ever goes on the open market (and not as a rental), that's about what I think he'll fetch. If we traded Plekanec that's what I would want in trade for him, if we couldn't get a decent top 4 d-man instead.

Would anyone know what a similar player to Stastny was recently traded for.
See Richard and Carter.

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01-22-2012, 07:29 PM
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Actually, it is. Look at healthfilms previous threads and you'll realize he is a huge troll. This is just another example. In terms of value Stastny>Plekanac. Not a huge difference, but it's still there. Duchene>>>1st(how could you possibly think that favors Colorado: Sorry to tell you, but 2nd overall picks who've already scored more than 60 points are more valuable than an unknow pick) And Landeskog>>Eller. In this Cade your looking at Landeskog's potential, which is pretty high. Sorry to tell you this, but two 2nd overall picks can net you more than an unknown 1st, Plekanac, and Eller. Forget Stastny.
That is your OPINION. Glad you have one. The reality is that they are a wash. One is better offensively, the other is better defensively. Both need quality finishers to make them better offensively, but Plekanec makes other players around him better defensively. So, if you want to get technical, Plekanec is probably slightly better, but it is close enough to call it a wash since Stastny is younger and bigger.

I like Duchene. A lot. I would love to have him on my team. I would not give up a top 3 pick with potential to be #1 for him. He is not a 30 goal scorer (yet!) and does not bring the kind of size Montreal would like to acquire in their next #1 center. While it is true that a drafted player might not pan out to be as good, it is also possible our pick becomes the next Tavares/Stamkos/Toews/etc... Our team doesn't finish with a top 5 pick often enough (because fans would revolt, so management will spend money to try and get into the playoffs every year rather than go through a full rebuild) to want to give it up for anything less than a player of Getzlaf's caliber (yes, we would definitely have to add to that 1st to get Getzlaf, but it could be worth it depending upon the +). So, rather than get a 20+ goal guy who is not as big nor as physical as we would like in a #1 center, we would find more value in the pick than Duchene.

As I said, I think Landeskog is definitely better than Eller by quite a bit.

So, the offer is nothing close to "trollish". It is not an offer you would like for your team, which I both understand and accept for the many reasons people have posted (especially ManOnTheMoon), but it is not even close to being a "trollish" offer. Gomez for Duchene is a "trollish" offer.

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Well he certainly fits the mold in Montreal, underachieving guy on a huge contract.

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See Richard and Carter.
Mike Richards has 4 consecutive seasons with over 60 points and has gotten over 30 goals twice in his career. He is also more aggressive, far better defensively, is way more physical, and has a proven playoff record that Stastny can not compare to.

Jeff Carter is also a better player than Stastny. They are a wash, defensively, but Carter is the far better goal scorer. Neither is overly physical in regards to hitting or being aggressive, but natural goal scorers like Carter hold more value than playmakers like Stastny or Plekanec.

Neither Stastny nor Plekanec are quite at the same level as Carter or Richards (Mike).

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That is your OPINION. Glad you have one. The reality is that they are a wash. One is better offensively, the other is better defensively. Both need quality finishers to make them better offensively, but Plekanec makes other players around him better defensively. So, if you want to get technical, Plekanec is probably slightly better, but it is close enough to call it a wash since Stastny is younger and bigger.



That is your OPINION. Glad you have one. Here is my OPINION, but the way my opinion is right.

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Mike Richards has 4 consecutive seasons with over 60 points and has gotten over 30 goals twice in his career. He is also more aggressive, far better defensively, is way more physical, and has a proven playoff record that Stastny can not compare to.

Jeff Carter is also a better player than Stastny. They are a wash, defensively, but Carter is the far better goal scorer. Neither is overly physical in regards to hitting or being aggressive, but natural goal scorers like Carter hold more value than playmakers like Stastny or Plekanec.

Neither Stastny nor Plekanec are quite at the same level as Carter or Richards (Mike).
Stastny has the highest offensive production rate of the four, and he plays a solid two-way game. Stastny only has limited playoff experience due the fact he is part of a rebuilding team, but did look good in the series he played against San Jose. Stastny also comes without the off-ice issues.

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That is your OPINION. Glad you have one. The reality is that they are a wash. One is better offensively, the other is better defensively. Both need quality finishers to make them better offensively, but Plekanec makes other players around him better defensively. So, if you want to get technical, Plekanec is probably slightly better, but it is close enough to call it a wash since Stastny is younger and bigger.

I like Duchene. A lot. I would love to have him on my team. I would not give up a top 3 pick with
potential to be #1 for him. He is not a 30 goal scorer (yet!) and does not bring the kind of size Montreal would like to acquire in their next #1 center. While it is true that a drafted player might not pan out to be as good, it is also possible our pick becomes the next Tavares/Stamkos/Toews/etc... Our team doesn't finish with a top 5 pick often enough (because fans would revolt, so management will spend money to try and get into the playoffs every year rather than go through a full rebuild) to want to give it up for anything less than a player of Getzlaf's caliber (yes, we would definitely have to add to that 1st to get Getzlaf, but it could be worth it depending upon the +). So, rather than get a 20+ goal guy who is not as big nor as physical as we would like in a #1 center, we would find more value in the pick than Duchene.

As I said, I think Landeskog is definitely better than Eller by quite a bit.

So, the offer is nothing close to "trollish". It is not an offer you would like for your team, which I both understand and accept for the many reasons people have posted (especially ManOnTheMoon), but it is not even close to being a "trollish" offer. Gomez for Duchene is a "trollish" offer.
So... MY OPINION is not correct but YOURS IS?? Great logic you got there

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If Montreal brings in any established high price free agent that means Plekanec is part of the deal.

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