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01-22-2012, 03:14 PM
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01-22-2012, 03:21 PM
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Habs Junkie, we are on the verge of derailing the thread here but I need your feedback on the following: thus far in 2011-12, Cole, Gorges, Price, Pacioretty, Plekanec and Desharnais are the only names worth mentioning in a MTL's MVP listing – agree/disagree Habs Junkie?

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Desharnais wins most of his puck battles alongside the boards: think of Gionta.)


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Again, from my point of view, our biggest PP problem is the failure to hit the net with regularity (finding the seams à la Bergeron) from the point. If Subban, Weber and Diaz (Kaberle is a set up man – a very good one I might add) can't step it up a notch, I would be willing to take a look at Emelin. As I mentioned earlier, he did provide a solid contribution, offensively, last year in the KHL and a few years ago during the WJC.
Gorges is our MVP when it comes to shutdown defence, in offence however far from MVP. Pacioretty is exceeding in expectation and has proven he's an all around great forward. Plecanek is this team's best all around player, don't kid yourselves. The only reason he's not an MVP is bad coaching by not using him properly. Put him with Cole and Pacioretty and I guarantee he leads the team in points and it won't be even close.
If you want the real MVP of the team, I would say its tied between Cole and Price, maybe giving an edge to Cole.
As for Desharnais, I don't think he's an MVP. When you are put with the best players game after game, put in the best spots on the ice for faceoffs, put on a power play unit as the number 1 center, you better get some points. Forget salary for a second and look at it the way it is. Most centers in the NHL would have equal or better production if they were put in Desharnais' spot.

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01-22-2012, 03:41 PM
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Watch the Flyers on the PP and see how it's done. It's not WHO you play, it's HOW you play.

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01-22-2012, 03:42 PM
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Gorges is our MVP when it comes to shutdown defence, in offence however far from MVP. Pacioretty is exceeding in expectation and has proven he's an all around great forward. Plecanek is this team's best all around player, don't kid yourselves. The only reason he's not an MVP is bad coaching by not using him properly. Put him with Cole and Pacioretty and I guarantee he leads the team in points and it won't be even close.
If you want the real MVP of the team, I would say its tied between Cole and Price, maybe giving an edge to Cole.
As for Desharnais, I don't think he's an MVP. When you are put with the best players game after game, put in the best spots on the ice for faceoffs, put on a power play unit as the number 1 center, you better get some points. Forget salary for a second and look at it the way it is. Most centers in the NHL would have equal or better production if they were put in Desharnais' spot.
It is Desharnais' first complete season in the NHL and he currently ranks 29th amongst ALL the NHL centermen in terms of production. He does it for a 0,850M$ cap hit.

Ref.: http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.h...=nav-sts-indiv

And why should I forget salary... is it because you don't like Desharnais?

That being mentioned, I think our biggest PP problem is the incapacity of guys like Subban, Weber and Diaz... to hit the net with regularity from the point.

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01-22-2012, 03:48 PM
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Sign James Wisniewski?

Oh wait, Gauthier preferred our excellent D and always injured : ANDREI MARKOV.

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01-22-2012, 03:52 PM
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Less finesse and more shots, from everywhere, the more you shoot. The more they go in. We really need a canon from the blue line. Sign the wiz and our PP will be set.

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Sign James Wisniewski?

Oh wait, Gauthier preferred our excellent D and always injured : ANDREI MARKOV.
Yeah, because Wisniewski has been very very healthy so far this season.

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01-22-2012, 03:57 PM
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Yeah, because Wisniewski has been very very healthy so far this season.
It would be a different situation if he was with the Habs. How could you say that with the CH he would be hurt on December 29th, 2011?

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01-22-2012, 04:31 PM
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Less finesse and more shots, from everywhere, the more you shoot. The more they go in. We really need a canon from the blue line. Sign the wiz and our PP will be set.
We take a lot of shots. Unfortunately, not all shots are created equally. Most of our shots are telegraphed so far in advance that the other team has time to book a caterer.

With bigger players, we would have the ability to move in closer and not be pushed back to the perimeters, which is where we end up. But even more important, once we're in close, we can feint back and draw the defensemen away. Push in close, circle back, make their defense wonder if they should follow us outward or not. That creates indecision; indecision creates space; space creates chances. That's been our problem -- linear shooting, linear circling, linear set ups. And that's why no matter how many shots we take, few will go in, because they can see us coming and know where we're probably going.

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01-22-2012, 04:32 PM
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decline the power play...only way to fix it this year.

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01-22-2012, 04:38 PM
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Next year...or another 3 weeks..lol

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It would be a different situation if he was with the Habs. How could you say that with the CH he would be hurt on December 29th, 2011?
He'd have been hurt on the first game of the season just like Campoli

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01-22-2012, 04:39 PM
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The general.

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01-22-2012, 04:42 PM
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The general.
You know what,

everyone sayin Markov is the savior...BUT what happened when Souray went out that year and we lot his PP bomb........

Markov then was thrust into the role of pp qb shooter...tell me how it went ..

we got no shooter that is effective right now, Markov, it didn't work well before....


short memories...

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01-22-2012, 04:50 PM
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It's about players moving and creating more diverse plays. Every team knows that the habs look for the big point shot or the cross pass down low. Yet, we keep on doing the same thing over and over again. It results in point shot getting block and intercepted passes. There has to be more movement to create better options for the puck carrier. Our players react instead of being pro active.

Our point-men also can't seem to retain the puck in the zone to save their lives.

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01-22-2012, 04:51 PM
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what about Paul Mara? he's a UFA

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A pinch of imagination, a dash of practice, a sprinkle of positioning and a **** load of luck.... The Habs PP is aweful comapred to a few years back...

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A pinch of imagination, a dash of practice, a sprinkle of positioning and a **** load of luck.... The Habs PP is aweful comapred to a few years back...
maybe in the New CBA draft lottery position will be decided on power play rank?

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maybe in the New CBA draft lottery position will be decided on power play rank?
Good one Hab Fans can only hope...

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01-22-2012, 05:12 PM
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Good one Hab Fans can only hope...
Gauthier could have inside info ....way ahead of the pack on this one..lol

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You know what,

everyone sayin Markov is the savior...BUT what happened when Souray went out that year and we lot his PP bomb........

Markov then was thrust into the role of pp qb shooter...tell me how it went ..

we got no shooter that is effective right now, Markov, it didn't work well before....


short memories...
Subban can shoot. He's getting massive coverage right now because who is going to be scared of Kaberle, Pacioretty, Cole or Desharnais? Get Subban and someone else with a decent shot out(Andrei, Patches on the half wall instead of behind the net?) there and Markov will distribute the goals like only he can. Heck, maybe even try Weber at the half wall and get Desharnais off the PP entirely. Markov to Weber and Subban would be enough, have a big body or two in front of the net. Kaberle isn't a PPQB, he never has been. Toronto outside of 03-04 and 05-06 never had a good PP with him, and they had McCabe and Sundin. Pretty sure Leetch took over Kaberle's PP spot when he was traded to Toronto in 03-04 also.

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Umbrella PP

Subban at the blue line, Kaberle at his left, Plekanec at his right, Kostitsyn high slot, Cole in front of the net.


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The players have to move a lot and cycle. That's basically the key to a good powerplay.

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You know what,

everyone sayin Markov is the savior...BUT what happened when Souray went out that year and we lot his PP bomb........

Markov then was thrust into the role of pp qb shooter...tell me how it went ..

we got no shooter that is effective right now, Markov, it didn't work well before....


short memories...
Wrong.

Souray's bomb was replaced with Streit's.

short memories...

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