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Columbus Dispatch: "Don't be surprised...if Carter is sent packing"
and we have two very good lines. I dont know why we must count with the line Carter--Nash when we can have two very good lines, not only one.
We can trade Brassard he has better value now, Umberger and untill TDL probably Prospal (but the true is I would like to sign him for one year)
I'd be really surprised if Columbus ownership isn't pushing for them to drop salary. I can't believe their payroll this year, and to know that they lose money when they've spent 10 million less is scary.
Just curious from Jackets fans, but does ownership even consider a full rebuild an option at all? I am pretty sure Columbus is around 5th-6th last in attendance as is, and that ownership and Howson were pretty clear they wanted playoffs or bust.
They dealt for Carter, added a big money defender, and have had a lot of injuries this year or else they would be relatively competitive.
I think they need to keep Carter next year, hope for health for Carter, Wiz, etc., and see where they end up next year after adding a top 2 pick as well.
They might able to make a quick turnaround and at least be competitive.
Our mistake (or our GM's mistake) was overestimating our goaltending and defense. Not getting someone proven to push or take over for Mason was a major mistake and while I like the addition of Wiz, he isn't a #1 guy (maybe he could be but not likely). That essentially left a poor defense in tact.
I drank the coolaide and thought the addition of Carter and Wiz along with Johansen coming on and what was thought to be serious depth at center (Carter, Brass, Vermette, Johansen, Pahlsson, MacKenzie) would push the CBJ to the top 1/3 of the league in scoring. Sure we expected the defense to struggle but most logical hockey fans would look at the roster in September and think this team would score goals. (Nash, Carter, Umberger, Vermette, Brassard, Johansen, Huselius/Prospal, etc). Injuries have played a major role but there is a lack of chemistry with this group.
Ultimately to answer your question, I don't think a major blow up is in order but I do think more significant changes need to occur. Start at the TOP with Mike Priest (President) and work through the GM then the goaltending then the defense. Obviously that will mean moving some players and right now the youth hasn't performed as expected since our prospects haven't grown into the players they are expected to become.
This teams a mess but until changes come from the top, I really don't want that much to happen because "Do what you always do, get what you always get" - A MESS!
I don't think NHL GM's dismiss a large body of work based on a small number of games like posters on these boards tend to do. Carter's had a 40-goal season, 2 30's, 2 20's, and even in this abysmal season with injuries on the worst team in the league, he's on a 27-goal pace.
Carter signed a life-time contract with PHILLY and had to wait one year for the no-trade clause to kick in because of his age. The Flyers pulled the rug out from under him, and this pretty much ensures that no young player will ever sign such a contract again until that NTC is fully in force at the time they sign the contract.
The acquiring team only needs to know that Carter wants to play for them. He wants to have that say which was the spirit and intent
of the contract he signed. A player of this caliber on a $5.2 million cap-hit for the next decade is a good contract. He will fetch a very good return.
JVR signed a 6-year contract (hence is part of trade rumors), so, no.
The Flyers will show people the money, and they'll put their name on the line, and deal with the rest later.
I'm sure there's a Caps fan out there that wants Carter as our bonafide #2 Center but with Backstrom out with a concussion, a trade for Carter might make sense.
to be clear, from my POV, I want nothing to do with Carter, but I do wonder (since it's Monday morning, booo):
To CBJ:
Semin
Schultz
our 2012 1st
a prospect not named Kuznetsov or Holtby
To Wash:
Carter
it's not great return for those individual players in the package but if the Caps like Carter, then overpayment on players might work.
I'm sure there's a Caps fan out there that wants Carter as our bonafide #2 Center but with Backstrom out with a concussion, a trade for Carter might make sense.
to be clear, from my POV, I want nothing to do with Carter, but I do wonder (since it's Monday morning, booo):
To CBJ:
Semin
Schultz
our 2012 1st
a prospect not named Kuznetsov or Holtby
To Wash:
Carter
it's not great return for those individual players in the package but if the Caps like Carter, then overpayment on players might work.
I'm sure there's a Caps fan out there that wants Carter as our bonafide #2 Center but with Backstrom out with a concussion, a trade for Carter might make sense.
to be clear, from my POV, I want nothing to do with Carter, but I do wonder (since it's Monday morning, booo):
To CBJ:
Semin
Schultz
our 2012 1st
a prospect not named Kuznetsov or Holtby
To Wash:
Carter
it's not great return for those individual players in the package but if the Caps like Carter, then overpayment on players might work.
Columbus would never do that. Fills absolutely no needs. Just gives us UFAs that wouldnt sign here. Strong No.
I'd be really surprised if Columbus ownership isn't pushing for them to drop salary. I can't believe their payroll this year, and to know that they lose money when they've spent 10 million less is scary.
And they will be... in the form of trading Prospal and Pahlsson at the deadline and letting Huselius walk in the off-season.
I'm just saying that if you think there wasn't a problem, then tell me why a team would randomly trade two mid-20 year old players signed to good contracts?...an hour apart.
That tells me something desperately needed to be changed with those two players. And no, Bryzgalov isn't why both were traded (despite what many people seem to think for some reason).
I really think Carter could fit well with Patrick Kane, Kane is one of the top playmaking wingers in the game, and Chicago need a #2 C. This could be a crazy awesome top 9:
Sharp - Toews - Hossa
Stalberg - Carter - Kane
Bickell - Bolland - Frolik
I wonder what Chicago would have to send back, though? Something like Kruger, McNeill, 2012 1st and Brunette, or is that too much?
JVR signed a 6-year contract (hence is part of trade rumors), so, no.
The Flyers will show people the money, and they'll put their name on the line, and deal with the rest later.
The Carter and JVR contracts are not at all similar.
Carter signed a retirement contract that takes him to the age of 37 with all but the first year containing a NTC, ensuring that he could stay in one place if he so desired.
JVR signed a typical 2nd contract which cannot contain a NTC until he reaches a certain age, in this case the last season of his six-year contract. Not at all like the Carter deal. As is typical of this kind of deal, he got paid for potential more so than proven performance in exchange for two UFA seasons. It is far from a retirement contract, but rather sets him up nicely for his biggest pay day, the next contract at age 28 when he’ll have UFA leverage.
The one remarkable similarity in the contracts is the level of compensation. A proven 40-goal scorer’s cap-hit is only a million more than a kid with only one 20-goal and one 40-point season on his resume.
That’s the home-town discount Carter gave to PHILLY. He committed the next 11 years of his career at a discounted salary in exchange for the security of staying in one place that he liked. Except that security didn’t kick in for one season, which was merely a technicality. Until now. Then Carter got screwed. He married Philadelphia but is forced to live somewhere not of his choosing under the terms and conditions he extended to Philadelphia only, and just one season before he could’ve cashed in big-time as a UFA and chosen the terms and conditions of his career.
No agent will allow this to happen to his client ever again.
Imagine what Carter would fetch on the UFA market. The only 1st-line center available where all you have to pay is cash, no players, prospects or picks have to be traded. Carter’s compensation would be much closer to that of Brad Richards rather than James Van Riemsdyk.
Too bad he hasn't been for 3 years and those players are vastly outperforming him, which is really all that matters in discussing his trade value today.
Too bad he hasn't been for 3 years and those players are vastly outperforming him, which is really all that matters in discussing his trade value today.
Yea because being injured has NOTHING to do with it. I said at his best. Learn how to read please. Thanks for the try.
