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Dan Girardi vs. Dion Phaneuf

View Poll Results: Who would you rather have?
Girardi 84 67.74%
Phaneuf 40 32.26%
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01-23-2012, 11:37 AM
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Phaneufs years now are nowhere near his best years either so I'm not sure what your point is
He's on pace for a 50 point season and has tightened up defensively a lot since his 60 point season...not what I'd call "nowhere near his best years" all things considered.

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01-23-2012, 11:40 AM
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Taking contracts into consideration, Girardi. You can't reasonably claim that Phaneuf is so much better as to pay him twice as much.

But without contracts I take Phaneuf 9/10 times.

Any poll that has "taking contracts into consideration" is inherently biased and not actually concerned with seeing who is the better player.
Not at all....

It makes a more realistic dynamic or "putting your GM cap on".

No bias there.

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01-23-2012, 11:47 AM
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Love Girardi's game, but contracts aside Phaneuf is slightly better.

But let's be reality, Girardi at 3.3M is much better than Phaneuf at 6.5M.

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01-23-2012, 12:36 PM
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let's be reality
whoa man, that's deep.....

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01-23-2012, 12:57 PM
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Love Girardi's game, but contracts aside Phaneuf is slightly better.

But let's be reality, Girardi at 3.3M is much better than Phaneuf at 6.5M.
Lettuce be reality?

U aware?

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01-23-2012, 01:08 PM
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Considering we're taking contracts into consideration, Girardi has the clear advantage.

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01-23-2012, 01:09 PM
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Girardi AINEC. Big minutes, hard work, good stick, strong first pass, PP and PK minutes, low turnovers, physical as hell without chasing hits, tons of blocked shots, and low low dollar contract.

There's also no extra expectations. The guy's earned it every step. Undrafted; makes the squad. Starts on bottom pairing, injuries happen; he gets second-pairing minutes and makes it impossible for the coaches to take those minutes away. Three seasons in and he's on our top pair with Staal, logging huge PK minutes and heavy game minutes. This season, no Staal; Girardi gets huge minutes 5v5/PK. Injuries hit our defense top-to-bottom; Girardi's minutes go through the roof and he doesn't miss a beat.

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01-23-2012, 01:24 PM
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Any poll that has "taking contracts into consideration" is inherently biased and not actually concerned with seeing who is the better player.
I don't consider objective reality to be biased at all. I think that ignoring the salary cap is biased, actually.

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01-23-2012, 01:30 PM
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I don't consider objective reality to be biased at all. I think that ignoring the salary cap is biased, actually.
I'd agree, it like starting a thread, "who would you take scott Gomez, or Erik Christensen", ignoring salaries...

Cap hits are a fundamental part of the CBA...

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01-23-2012, 01:52 PM
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I don't consider objective reality to be biased at all. I think that ignoring the salary cap is biased, actually.
If you're trying to find out who the better player is, then it is biased and irrelevant.

If you're asking "who would fit best on your current team" then it's relevant.

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If you're trying to find out who the better player is, then it is biased and irrelevant.

If you're asking "who would fit best on your current team" then it's relevant.
I believe that is why the OP specified to carry the weight of each contract into the analysis, in which case, it's easily Girardi. It is very debatable without contracts considered, even still, as you are trading off offence from Girardi for superior defence, relative to Phaneuf.

My preference is for defencemen to play good defence, but not everyone fully agrees with that it seems.

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01-23-2012, 02:18 PM
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I would take MCD over both.
That's great, what the hell does that have to do with this?

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01-23-2012, 03:54 PM
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Both are top pairing defenseman.

I'll take Girardi since he can play more minutes and being an elite shutdown dman that barely makes a mistake is a little tougher to find then a hard hitting defenseman who is prone to mistakes. Its close though.

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You could make an argument that contracts aside, Girardi is as good as Phaneuf. When contracts are factored in, it's a no brainer who you'd take.

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How has he played 'just as well' as Phaneuf? Let's wait til the player actually scores a goal before getting the label seriously. Phaneuf is an all-star 2-way defenseman who lines up against other top players in the league, Gardiner is a rookie defenseman who's had an up-and-down season.

If he's played just as well as Phaneuf, why is he not getting the ice time?
He has. He went through a stretch where he was actually playing more than phaneuf consistently then he got gassed and was a healthy scratch

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