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01-21-2012, 02:41 AM
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For a run THIS season, I don't even know if I'd want Myers considering what we'd have to give up to acquire him. He seems to be a defensive trainwreck every other game this season.

Granted, he'll improve but this hasn't been a great season for him.

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For a run THIS season, I don't even know if I'd want Myers considering what we'd have to give up to acquire him. He seems to be a defensive trainwreck every other game this season.

Granted, he'll improve but this hasn't been a great season for him.
We do need the offensive ability he'd bring. The defensive deficiencies can be covered by one of the defensive defencemen we have.

That said, they won't trade him, and I don't want to trade Zajac.

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Buffalo should have Parise on their radar. They need a hard working player to revive them.

Leopold, Ennis, 1st?

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Buffalo should have Parise on their radar. They need a hard working player to revive them.

Leopold, Ennis, 1st?
No thanks, not saying the value isn't there but we need centers and we can't trade our first which is the 5th pick right now. Plus Parise could just walk away and we'd get completely robbed as we don't need him for a playoff push.

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Buffalo should have Parise on their radar. They need a hard working player to revive them.

Leopold, Ennis, 1st?
You really aren't good at making proposals. That trade doesn't make sense for either team. Buffalo wants to hang onto that pick at all costs and isn't in a position to make a rental, and the Devils don't want to trade Parise when they are on their way to the playoffs.

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Buffalo has absolutely ZERO reason to trade for Parise.

But in terms of value, I would ask for Leopold + Kassian + 1st.

Devils fans would probably ask for more and Sabres would offer less, but I think this is a fair package.

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01-22-2012, 04:18 PM
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Buffalo has absolutely ZERO reason to trade for Parise.

But in terms of value, I would ask for Leopold + Kassian + 1st.

Devils fans would probably ask for more and Sabres would offer less, but I think this is a fair package.
Not for a rental. What did you guys give up for Kovalchuk??

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We do need the offensive ability he'd bring. The defensive deficiencies can be covered by one of the defensive defencemen we have.

That said, they won't trade him, and I don't want to trade Zajac.
we also figured our defensive d-men could help out foster, see where that goes.

the fact is none of our d-men are good enough to play d on their own. they all need their partner to make up for their own deficiencies, and vice versa. if we do trade for an offensive specialist, they at least have to be capable defensively.

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One of Butters or Sekera may end up getting moved... too much the same type of player.

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Not for a rental. What did you guys give up for Kovalchuk??
A top 4 defenseman, top 6 winger, prospect with top 9 potential, and a 1st.

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01-22-2012, 06:00 PM
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A top 4 defenseman, top 6 winger, prospect with top 9 potential, and a 1st.
Maybe it's hindsight talking, but Oduya isn't anything special IMO, I wouldn't want him in my top 4. Bergfors was a rookie at the time not a top 6 forward. Cormier was a decent prospect, but was suspended for the entire year for a nasty elbowing incident and hasn't developed into anything significant since. Seems like a pretty blah return, atlanta got boned

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A top 4 defenseman, top 6 winger, prospect with top 9 potential, and a 1st.
Who is this top 6 winger they gave up??? An even trade for a player not even at Kovalchuk level would be...

Leopold, Tropp, Foligno and a 2nd.

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Who is this top 6 winger they gave up??? An even trade for a player not even at Kovalchuk level would be...

Leopold, Tropp, Foligno and a 2nd.
Take out Tropp, Foligno, and the 2nd and put in Armia and a 1st.

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A top 4 defenseman, top 6 winger, prospect with top 9 potential, and a 1st.
This is what each player was at the time of the trade.

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Take out Tropp, Foligno, and the 2nd and put in Armia and a 1st.



This is what each player was at the time of the trade.
Not for a rental and you will get no team to give that much.

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Maybe it's hindsight talking, but Oduya isn't anything special IMO, I wouldn't want him in my top 4. Bergfors was a rookie at the time not a top 6 forward. Cormier was a decent prospect, but was suspended for the entire year for a nasty elbowing incident and hasn't developed into anything significant since. Seems like a pretty blah return, atlanta got boned
Yes, it is hindsight talking. Oduya was on the Devils' top or middle pairing for most of that year and the previous year. Bergfors was playing in the Devils' top 6 until just before the trade, and he was producing well with Parise and Zajac. Cormier was considered a safe prospect with third line grinder upside, and the first was known to be in the 20-30 range.

In hindsight, with Oduya a mediocre defenceman, Bergfors washing out entirely, Cormier still not in the league, and the pick traded, it seems like they got hosed. But the package they got was by no means considered a horrible one at the time of the trade.

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Maybe it's hindsight talking, but Oduya isn't anything special IMO, I wouldn't want him in my top 4. Bergfors was a rookie at the time not a top 6 forward. Cormier was a decent prospect, but was suspended for the entire year for a nasty elbowing incident and hasn't developed into anything significant since. Seems like a pretty blah return, atlanta got boned
Oduya isn't anything special, but he was a top 4 D-man at the time.

Bergfors was a rookie playing in our top 6, and he was second in the league in rookie scoring at the time of the trade.

Cormier was projected to be a 3rd liner in the future.

A 1st is a 1st.

Since trading those pieces, everyone has regressed. Lou knew something and got rid of who he thought was playing above their true value.

It's really unfair to look back in hindsight and say "look at the Kovy trade" because the situations are totally different. Parise wants to stay, Kovy wanted to leave. Lou is a better GM than Waddel. Plus Parise is a better player than Kovy.

Lou would fetch a much better return for Parise, but it's irrelevant because Lou doesn't sell at the deadline.

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I absolutely hate comparing any possible trade to the Kovalchuk trade.

the situations are always going to be completely different. when will people realize that?

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a) 40 goal scorer who publicly turned down 100million dollars in 10 years and was known as a defensive liability

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b) the 30-40 goal scorer who says he'd wait for a deal in order to stay in New Jersey and known for his leadership

Not exactly comparable. Why? because this time not every GM knows what's going on in Parise's head and they won't know. Not ever. They don't know why a deal hasn't been made. Ownership issues? Parise's demands? Parise wants out? Who knows and who honestly believes that Lou is going to tell them?

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a) 40 goal scorer who publicly turned down 100million dollars in 10 years and was known as a defensive liability

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b) the 30-40 goal scorer who says he'd wait for a deal in order to stay in New Jersey and known for his leadership

Not exactly comparable. Why? because this time not every GM knows what's going on in Parise's head and they won't know. Not ever. They don't know why a deal hasn't been made. Ownership issues? Parise's demands? Parise wants out? Who knows and who honestly believes that Lou is going to tell them?
I think it is fairly obvious that Parise is going to test the market because NJ is not offering what he wants. He would be signed by now if the numbers were right. This has been going on for like a year, doesn't look to good for NJ. Sell him now or lose him for nothing.

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I think it is fairly obvious that Parise is going to test the market because NJ is not offering what he wants. He would be signed by now if the numbers were right. This has been going on for like a year, doesn't look to good for NJ. Sell him now or lose him for nothing.
or, the ownership situation is causing them to not be able to offer him what he wants/is worth

which is totally different.

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I think it is fairly obvious that Parise is going to test the market because NJ is not offering what he wants. He would be signed by now if the numbers were right. This has been going on for like a year, doesn't look to good for NJ. Sell him now or lose him for nothing.
It might seem obvious but it's not a known fact, and thus the situations are completely different. Until he comes out and says he doesn't want to re-sign with New Jersey his value is not limited to that of the Kovalchuk deal..

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I think it is fairly obvious that Parise is going to test the market because NJ is not offering what he wants. He would be signed by now if the numbers were right. This has been going on for like a year, doesn't look to good for NJ. Sell him now or lose him for nothing.
New Jersey hasn't offered *ANYTHING* yet because:

1. Lou Lamoriello does not negotiate contracts during the season.
2. We want to see if there will be any lingering effects from his knee surgery. Looking like there won't be but he's only been skating on it for 4-5 months now.
3. We're in the middle of a playoff push and looking to contend, we only have 3-4 weeks to evaluate our team and look at possible acquisitions (like Jordan Leopold whom this thread was about before it got derailed). Whereas we have until July to get a contract figured out.
4. We're going through an ownership change and we need to wait and see if the team is going to operate on a budget or not.

A few weeks ago Parise said that his agent and Lou have had 'promising talks' and has said many times he wants to stay. I won't be worried until it gets to June 30th and there's no deal in place.

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Yes, it is hindsight talking. Oduya was on the Devils' top or middle pairing for most of that year and the previous year. Bergfors was playing in the Devils' top 6 until just before the trade, and he was producing well with Parise and Zajac. Cormier was considered a safe prospect with third line grinder upside, and the first was known to be in the 20-30 range.

In hindsight, with Oduya a mediocre defenceman, Bergfors washing out entirely, Cormier still not in the league, and the pick traded, it seems like they got hosed. But the package they got was by no means considered a horrible one at the time of the trade.
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Oduya isn't anything special, but he was a top 4 D-man at the time.

Bergfors was a rookie playing in our top 6, and he was second in the league in rookie scoring at the time of the trade.

Cormier was projected to be a 3rd liner in the future.

A 1st is a 1st.

Since trading those pieces, everyone has regressed. Lou knew something and got rid of who he thought was playing above their true value.

It's really unfair to look back in hindsight and say "look at the Kovy trade" because the situations are totally different. Parise wants to stay, Kovy wanted to leave. Lou is a better GM than Waddel. Plus Parise is a better player than Kovy.

Lou would fetch a much better return for Parise, but it's irrelevant because Lou doesn't sell at the deadline.
Oduya has a rough start this year, but has been playing pretty well for the most part since.

He's not a top 4, but could be a decent 5-6 for a team needing to replace via injury, or just for depth.

Ironically, if the Jets become out of the playoff race before the trade deadline, he would most likely become very available.

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A player that takes a one year deal, one year before he hits UFA has a great chance of hitting that UFA status.

You guys bring up all these excuses about ownership, Lou, and not having confidence in him. Why would he sign with all those unknowns?? Parise should have been signed before his knee injury, he can't be happy about that. I actually feel your pain because Buffalo dealt with the same BS about ownership in the past. One thing I will tell you is that this situation stinks of losing the player. We finally learned and got something for Campbell.

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