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01-23-2012, 02:02 PM
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Well there's reports Tim Thomas didn't show up to the White House for the meeting with the President. If he skipped out because it's reported he's a "staunch republican", then he is an idiot. You go and celebrate with your team and the President even though you don't agree with the policies in place.


Someone got angry and took his puck home

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01-23-2012, 02:02 PM
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A water bottle doesn't drop as much water as a zamboni does, you know, and the water would be very localized, so Read would have to be very unlucky to hit that spot.
That's what I was thinking too. Possible? Sure, but you'd have to dump a bit of water.

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01-23-2012, 02:04 PM
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Bruins fan coming in peace.

If you look closely, Thomas squirted the water somewhere close to the goal crease, whereas Read actually lost control of his legs (and the puck) some time before actually coming close to the crease, somewhere between the face-off dots in the defensive zone.
i'm sorry, but you cannot see whee the water landed, whether it was in 1 puddle or spread out ....

totally bush move, but good thinking & not 'illegal' ...... yet - hopefully the NHL will make that result in an automatic forfeit of the extra point in the future. that will stop him.

drink if you're thirsty, but watering down the crease is completely bogus and against the idea of fair play

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01-23-2012, 02:13 PM
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well watched it again, and it seems Read lost control little before where water could drop, not 100 percetns sure, but i dont think it affected him.

Tho he shouldnt be allowed to do that.

And watching him take G down after score, makes me really think bad things about thomas, like a little kid. ..

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01-23-2012, 02:20 PM
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i'm sorry, but you cannot see whee the water landed, whether it was in 1 puddle or spread out ....

totally bush move, but good thinking & not 'illegal' ...... yet - hopefully the NHL will make that result in an automatic forfeit of the extra point in the future. that will stop him.

drink if you're thirsty, but watering down the crease is completely bogus and against the idea of fair play
Major overreaction. As I and others have posted, a couple second squeeze of a water bottle has no impact on the conditions of the ice. Again, if anything, it will make it smoother.

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01-23-2012, 02:37 PM
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If we are going to start blaming a squirt of water on the ice as the reason why we lost, this season is going to get very ugly very quickly.

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01-23-2012, 02:56 PM
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Whether or not his intentions were to sabotage a shootout attempt or even if he succeeded in doing so, or if it's merely 'something he does' as some sort of habit, it should be taken as something that COULD potentially affect a player taking a shootout attemp and not aware of the conditions of the ice.

It should be made illegal, whether or not Thomas did this knowingly and regardless of whether or not it affected the opposing player.

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01-23-2012, 03:00 PM
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Major overreaction. As I and others have posted, a couple second squeeze of a water bottle has no impact on the conditions of the ice. Again, if anything, it will make it smoother.
wrong. i play ice hockey. the puck will stick if the water is not completely frozen. it just got scraped, no need AT ALL for him to try and 'put a smooth patch' on the ice.

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If we are going to start blaming a squirt of water on the ice as the reason why we lost .....
who did that ?

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Whether or not his intentions were to sabotage a shootout attempt or even if he succeeded in doing so, or if it's merely 'something he does' as some sort of habit, it should be taken as something that COULD potentially affect a player taking a shootout attemp and not aware of the conditions of the ice.

It should be made illegal, whether or not Thomas did this knowingly and regardless of whether or not it affected the opposing player.
agreed, if he wants to squirt some water as part of his mental tech. or just a force of habit. fine..

but squirt it inside the net or elsewere... but doing so in front of the net, it just seems kind of bad mojo..

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Someone got angry and took his puck home
Why is Simmer in that pic...kidding!

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wrong. i play ice hockey. the puck will stick if the water is not completely frozen. it just got scraped, no need AT ALL for him to try and 'put a smooth patch' on the ice.
I play as well and am a goalie. A quick squirt of water freezes almost instantly. In order to create a wet spot that would make a puck stick would take quite a bit more than a couple second squeeze of a Gatorade bottle.

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Why is Simmer in that pic...kidding!
Solid.

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Thomas was absent from the visit. According to Chiarelli, he opted not to come and will explain his reasoning later via his Facebook pg
Surprised he isn't going to tweet his explanation ..would be more appropriate. All he would have to do is throw out the usual talking points like Me no like Obamacare, Socialism etc. BTW..I'm no fan either but for reasons I would like to think are bit more nuanced. In any event..I am curious to hear his explanation although I shouldn't be.

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I play as well and am a goalie. A quick squirt of water freezes almost instantly. In order to create a wet spot that would make a puck stick would take quite a bit more than a couple second squeeze of a Gatorade bottle.
then we agree to disagree. have you played at the WFC ? did you feel how hot it is on the ice with 20,000 fans in that building ? if so, you would know [as i have played there after a Flyers - Kings game]

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Solid.
Somebody should photoshop a pic of Simmer in there holding up his own jersey! Would be perfect!

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Major overreaction. As I and others have posted, a couple second squeeze of a water bottle has no impact on the conditions of the ice. Again, if anything, it will make it smoother.
Just using science, that isn't true. The average NHL rink temperature is something like...50 degrees farenheit. Water freezes at 32 degrees...so using this logic, it isn't cold enough to instantly freeze water from a bottle.

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From my experience, water on the ice (say jumping on the ice to warm up RIGHT after the zamboni gets off) stops the puck dead in it's tracks, it doesn't make it slide more, like in the video (although that may depend on HOW MUCH water it is. The stop dead in its tracks, only "big puddles" come to mind). Considering Read went left then was planning to go right and it kept sliding very fast in the Youtube video, kind of makes me wonder if the squirt of water had any effect. What could have affected it is that the zamboni's resurface that "lane" in the center for the shootout. Considering he was just playing on ice in OT that was beat for 25 minutes, it's possible he just lost it in the transition from torn up to fresh ice. Just a thought though. From the amount he squirted I don't know how much affect it would have on it.

Also looks like he squirted it inside the crease at the top area. Thomas slid along that on the save attempt (pads down), and it looks like Read lost it before the crease anyway. I don't think it had any affect on it.

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Just using science, that isn't true. The average NHL rink temperature is something like...50 degrees farenheit. Water freezes at 32 degrees...so using this logic, it isn't cold enough to instantly freeze water from a bottle.
The ice itself is frozen. The water touches the ice. Heat transfer ensues until the temperature of the water and ice is uniform. So depending on how hot the water is and how much of it there is you get a bunch of lukewarm water or a bunch of ice. I'm going to guess there was enough ice to freeze the ounce or two of water Thomas shot.

The air surrounding the water isn't going to stop heat transfer between the ice and water (which is what will cause the water to freeze). What's more, the air an inch off of the ice's surface almost certainly isn't 50 something degrees, regardless of what the temperature is in the seats.

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I play as well and am a goalie. A quick squirt of water freezes almost instantly. In order to create a wet spot that would make a puck stick would take quite a bit more than a couple second squeeze of a Gatorade bottle.
He's spraying water onto an area which has just been done by the zamboni preceding the shoot out, wouldn't the top of the ice already be wet and not entirely frozen at that stage? A squirt of water might not freeze quickly because the ice surface is already saturated with water from the zamboni doing the strip down the middle of the ice in preparation for the shoot out.

I don't know much about this stuff because I've only played a little hockey in my life, I'm honestly just wondering.

Really though, this was not decisive we continue to be bad at shoot outs and I really don't think this was influential in the loss.

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And watching him take G down after score, makes me really think bad things about thomas, like a little kid. ..
Exactly. He's a player you'd want to show your kids or something. Hard working, bust your ass to get there, great goalie... Then he truly acts like a little child pretty much after every play.

Back to SquirtGate. Everyone is saying 'an ounce of water' or "a drop of water"... That picture looks like he is rifling some mad ass amount water out there. He's got a Vulcan Death Pinch on that Gatorade bottle guys. He's almost got a closed, clenched fist on the bottle... I think we are under estimating how much water he put out there. Either way, its whatever. As of now I just think it's funny. Much like I think that whole game was just funny.

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He's spraying water onto an area which has just been done by the zamboni preceding the shoot out, wouldn't the top of the ice already be wet and not entirely frozen at that stage? A squirt of water might not freeze quickly because the ice surface is already saturated with water from the zamboni doing the strip down the middle of the ice in preparation for the shoot out.
they do a 'dry scrape' - no water

regardless, it should not be permitted. should be an instant forfeit of the extra point up for grabs. that will end it.

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Does anyone have video of Thomas taking out Giroux after the shootout goal?

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