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01-23-2012, 06:34 PM
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You dump a bad contract and get that package, including a lottery pick, for Schneider?

I dont see that happening. Goalies do not have that value these days.
Lundqvist does .

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01-23-2012, 06:34 PM
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What would you offer for Neuvirth or Holtby?
Hemsky + Dubnyk + 2nd for Brouwer + Neuvirth?

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01-23-2012, 06:39 PM
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Lundqvist does .
Is he worth a top 2 pick? And dumping a terrible contract? and getting a young guy like MP? I dont think so.

Schnieder def is not.

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Is he worth a top 2 pick? And dumping a terrible contract? and getting a young guy like MP? I dont think so.

Schnieder def is not.
Ok, you can have Luongo.

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01-23-2012, 06:48 PM
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Ok, you can have Luongo.
I'm not an Oilers fan. Outside opinion

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01-23-2012, 06:49 PM
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Is he worth a top 2 pick? And dumping a terrible contract? and getting a young guy like MP? I dont think so.

Schnieder def is not.
Since he is the top 2 goalie with Thomas (and way younger) he's worth a top pick. MP will not be as good and important as a future Vezina trophy winner like Lundqvist. He's been carrying us for years. Finally he's got a mature good team in front of him. Dumping a bad contract? What bad contract? Lundqvist is worth every penny if ur refering to him.

With that said we're not trading an elite goaltender (they're hard to get, plus he's a fan favourite). He's untouchable. He would require a HUUUUGE overpayment and we still wouldn't trade him since that position is the most important one. You don't trade top 3 goalies in the league like that. That's why u rarely see elite goalies getting moved . Especially when they're in their prime.

NHL 12 now, later bro .

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- Lehner (G)
- Gonchar (D)
- Wiercioch (D)
- Da Costa (F)
- Butler (F)


- MPS (F)
- Sutton (D)

Now I know the first thing that will be said... quantity doesn't equal quality. If the Oilers want to continue to build thru youth, then this package does just that. Gonchar is there for salary purposes and while he only has one more year left on his contract, could be a good mentor. All the other pieces have above average potential to be NHL players with Lehner being touted as the Sens goalie of the future.

From an Ottawa POV, I expect fans aren't going to like this offer because they value Lehner alot and to a lesser extent, Wiercioch. I do this because we need a top 6 player (admittingly, MPS isn't there yet) and we need a tough shot blocker dman for the playoffs.

Not sure if Ottawa is giving too much or if Oilers need to add but that's basically what I'd like from Edmonton.
where does tambo sign?...yes please!

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Since he is the top 2 goalie with Thomas (and way younger) he's worth a top pick. MP will not be as good and important as a future Vezina trophy winner like Lundqvist. He's been carrying us for years. Finally he's got a mature good team in front of him. Dumping a bad contract? What bad contract? Lundqvist is worth every penny if ur refering to him.

With that said we're not trading an elite goaltender (they're hard to get, plus he's a fan favourite). He's untouchable. He would require a HUUUUGE overpayment and we still wouldn't trade him since that position is the most important one. You don't trade top 3 goalies in the league like that. That's why u rarely see elite goalies getting moved . Especially when they're in their prime.

NHL 12 now, later bro .
Bad contract was referring to Ballard. And no Lundquist is not worth a top 2 pick IMO. Like I said, goalies' value is diminishing. I love Lundquist but I would rather have an average goalie and a franchise forward like Yakapov then just 1 top 3 goalie.

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01-23-2012, 07:13 PM
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Bad contract was referring to Ballard. And no Lundquist is not worth a top 2 pick IMO. Like I said, goalies' value is diminishing. I love Lundquist but I would rather have an average goalie and a franchise forward like Yakapov then just 1 top 3 goalie.
Technically the Oilers have TWO franchise players in Hall and RNH, and of course Eberle, and pending development, are surrounded by potentially elite players like MPS and Gagne and some of their defensive prospects. They'll need a goalie eventually. Perhaps in their current setting a top-3 goalie in the league WOULD be better than another young superstar to get lost in the mix.

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Bad contract was referring to Ballard. And no Lundquist is not worth a top 2 pick IMO. Like I said, goalies' value is diminishing. I love Lundquist but I would rather have an average goalie and a franchise forward like Yakapov then just 1 top 3 goalie.
I wouldn't trade Lundqvist for first overall next year. The Oilers should already have 2 "franchise forwards" that aren't carrying them anywhere near in the way Lundqvist carried the Rangers.

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Technically the Oilers have TWO franchise players in Hall and RNH, and of course Eberle, and pending development, are surrounded by potentially elite players like MPS and Gagne and some of their defensive prospects. They'll need a goalie eventually. Perhaps in their current setting a top-3 goalie in the league WOULD be better than another young superstar to get lost in the mix.
I totally agree. Maybe Oilers should stop drafting forwards and go for goalies/defence and maybe they wouldn't be a bottom team.

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01-23-2012, 07:20 PM
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I wouldn't trade Lundqvist for first overall next year. The Oilers should already have 2 "franchise forwards" that aren't carrying them anywhere near in the way Lundqvist carried the Rangers.
Exactly. They need some defense. Gilbert, Smid and Whitney are good defensemen. Whitney is injured alot though... Everyone else is sub-par. Sutton, really? He's like 35? And he's never been a great D. He's a tough customer that's about it...

Oilers only draft offense, no wonder why they're always dead last... A strong defence wins games which Rangers have shown this year.

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01-23-2012, 07:23 PM
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Bad contract was referring to Ballard. And no Lundquist is not worth a top 2 pick IMO. Like I said, goalies' value is diminishing. I love Lundquist but I would rather have an average goalie and a franchise forward like Yakapov then just 1 top 3 goalie.
Well you got 3 franchise forward in Hall, RNH and Eberle. And it doesn't seem like your doing that great tbh... Maybe it's because your D is awful...

Whitney (injured alot), Gilbert and Smid are the only good ones. You need to stop overpaying players when you need the money for D-men and Goalies...

Horcoff, wow... Smyth, damn!

Gilbert is good but he makes more money than Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Vlasic etc. He's not that good...

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01-23-2012, 07:25 PM
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I'd take that and run from Edm
Perhaps EDM would need to add or OTT remove a player from the list (not Gonchar).

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That package from Edmonton wouldn't get Lehner alone.

What's scarier is that you're an Ottawa fan. Have you ever seen Lehner play?
Seen him play... he was good but not exceptional but the main reason why I'm willing to trade him is that Anderson is signed long term. We need to address current deficiencies... a top 6 forward and some toughness on defense.

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01-23-2012, 07:25 PM
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- Lehner (G)
- Gonchar (D)
- Wiercioch (D)
- Da Costa (F)
- Butler (F)


- MPS (F)
- Sutton (D)

Now I know the first thing that will be said... quantity doesn't equal quality. If the Oilers want to continue to build thru youth, then this package does just that. Gonchar is there for salary purposes and while he only has one more year left on his contract, could be a good mentor. All the other pieces have above average potential to be NHL players with Lehner being touted as the Sens goalie of the future.

From an Ottawa POV, I expect fans aren't going to like this offer because they value Lehner alot and to a lesser extent, Wiercioch. I do this because we need a top 6 player (admittingly, MPS isn't there yet) and we need a tough shot blocker dman for the playoffs.

Not sure if Ottawa is giving too much or if Oilers need to add but that's basically what I'd like from Edmonton.
This is awful, Ottawa says **** no!

What has MPS done to get:

- 19 Year old Calder Cup MVP, Ottawa's only goalie prospect and part of the future for sure.

- Gonchar, Ottawa's 2nd best offensive d-man with experience, has 25 points this year. 3rd TOI.

- Wiercoich, been hurt all year and was always a project, im sure hes available tho. OK season with Binghamton

- Da Costa, One of Binghamton's best players since being sent there, and we just signed him, why would we trade him, unless we never wanna see another college player sign here again.

- Butler, He's available sure but not for this package..

We didnt take MPS for a reason at the draft, his 4 assists this year doesnt make us want him now. He is not even close to worth anything your asking. Sutton would be nice for depth, but will just throw you a 3rd and call it a day.

How about next time we make a proposal we think of the other team. Were looking for a player that will help us in the play-offs, maybe like a Hemsky but not at these ridiculous prices.


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here is your expandable goaltender

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Keith Ballard
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Ummm....no. Thats all that needs to be said there.

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Anders Lindback is very much expandable. He has a ridiculous wingspan.

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Maybe Paajarvi and Dubnyk alone for Schneider.
Oilers might have to add a 2nd rounder. But then it would be fair IMO.

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Well you got 3 franchise forward in Hall, RNH and Eberle. And it doesn't seem like your doing that great tbh... Maybe it's because your D is awful...

Whitney (injured alot), Gilbert and Smid are the only good ones. You need to stop overpaying players when you need the money for D-men and Goalies...

Horcoff, wow... Smyth, damn!

Gilbert is good but he makes more money than Marc Staal, Dan Girardi, Vlasic etc. He's not that good...
Horcoff....any oilers fan will agree. Smyth we didn't sign.Whitney out. Gilbert is out. Barker is out. RNH is out. Eberle and Hall missed time. Sutton was suspended half the season. Smid had been good. The AHL guys have been AHL guys. We need a goalie and a couple dmen to tide us over until the arrival of the prospects.

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I totally agree. Maybe Oilers should stop drafting forwards and go for goalies/defence and maybe they wouldn't be a bottom team.
So using a top 10 pick on Dylan McIlrath is your answer to the Oilers woes? Check.

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So using a top 10 pick on Dylan McIlrath is your answer to the Oilers woes? Check.
Well this years draft is stacked on D, but knowing Oilers they'll probably go for the flashy player even though there will be problems in the future since Yakupov is gonna wanna be #1 LW in his team where you got Hall. And Eberle on the RW. It makes sense to draft a D especially when the draft is stacked on D this year.

McIlrath will be good bro. And no. You could've traded some draftpicks or players for another pick and then drafted a d-man.

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Harding + Zidlicky or Schultz for ........? Possible

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- Lehner (G)
- Gonchar (D)
- Wiercioch (D)
- Da Costa (F)
- Butler (F)


- MPS (F)
- Sutton (D)

Now I know the first thing that will be said... quantity doesn't equal quality. If the Oilers want to continue to build thru youth, then this package does just that. Gonchar is there for salary purposes and while he only has one more year left on his contract, could be a good mentor. All the other pieces have above average potential to be NHL players with Lehner being touted as the Sens goalie of the future.

From an Ottawa POV, I expect fans aren't going to like this offer because they value Lehner alot and to a lesser extent, Wiercioch. I do this because we need a top 6 player (admittingly, MPS isn't there yet) and we need a tough shot blocker dman for the playoffs.

Not sure if Ottawa is giving too much or if Oilers need to add but that's basically what I'd like from Edmonton.
Wait... You're a SENS FAN!??!

Can't be serious.

Wouldn't give up Lehner alone for MPS + Sutton.

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