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Jim Balsillie gets the boot (Mod - concern over future RIM sponsorship)

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01-23-2012, 08:28 PM
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What a lamesauce response, but not unexpect from you, Scotty, considering that you know yourself there no proof of what you claim. You just keep wearing that tinfoil hat buddy
They can blame Jim all they want. Bottom line is, those responsible for the demise of the Yotes are those that refused to attend games.
I love the long drive excuse.

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01-23-2012, 08:56 PM
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Yeah, and Bettman has never lied.

The Coyotes were essentially bankrupt before Balsillie got to them. The continued disaster the last couple years prove this. At least JB was willing to put the team out of it's misery and move it to a profitable market. The whole Coyotes mess looks really good on Bettman and the NHL. Pretty deserving.
Show me where Bettman lied!!! Give one untrue quote because I can link you to Baldy's lies
Baldy had a website (makeit7) with press releases stating "Bettman hates Canada"

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To: The Sports Authority of the Metropolitan Government of
Nashville and Davidson County

From: Bo Roberts, Managing Partner
Net Com LLC

CC: Aubrey Harwell, Managing Partner
Neal & Harwell

Re: Nashville Predators Hockey Club (“Predators”)

Date: October 12, 2007

I am writing on behalf of a client of NetCom LLC, Predators Sports and Entertainment LP (“Purchaseco”). We have been asked to summarize my client’s position on matters related to the two arena operating agreements in the event, however unlikely, that the Freeman/Del Biaggio Group may not be able to reach an agreement with the Authority and Metro government.

First, let me state that Purchaseco is 100 per cent owned by Jim Balsillie of Waterloo, Ontario, Canada and that Mr. Balsillie was previously in negotiations with Craig Leipold for the purchase of the Predators. After having had extensive discussions with him, I am completely convinced that Mr. Balsillie’s understanding of the Nashville market at that time was incorrect, and that Mr. Balsillie recognizes that. He is now committed to Nashville as a viable hockey market, one in which he strongly desires to own a franchise; and that he will commit the resources that are necessary to lead to a Stanley Cup for the Predators and Nashville. He is also keenly aware of the recent outpouring of support of the Predators by the community, and our concrete expressions that hockey and the Predators are important to Nashville. Along these lines, Jim has assured me that he would welcome, but not require, local partners as a part of the ownership team. Specifically, he would welcome the participation of the local investors in the Freeman Group, who have so diligently worked to keep the Predators in Nashville. You can be assured, ladies and gentlemen of the Authority, that Aubrey Harwell and I would not be associated with any group that we felt would lead to the demise of this important franchise in Nashville.

That said, I want to outline, in layman’s terms, the steps that Purchaseco would be willing to take to make this franchise successful. First the existing arena operating agreements will require no changes whatsoever unless they benefit the Authority and the residents of Nashville. In that regard, Purchaseco will make the following commitments that will strengthen the position of the Authority and Metro Government:

• Purchaseco will respect the previously stated opinion of Metro’s legal department to the effect that the 2006-07 hockey season was not the second consecutive “full season” of sub 14,000 paid attendance. As such, the Early Termination Notice issued by the Predators in June, 2007 will be void and of no effect. Further, any such notice could not occur until after the 2007-2008 season results are known.

• Purchaseco will make the necessary arrangements to comply with the minimum tangible net worth guarantee provisions, as required in the arena operating agreements.

• Purchaseco will increase the exit fee to the owners for terminating the License Agreement to approximately $75 million from approximately $16 million, to be adjusted only by cumulative operating losses, but in no event will decrease below $25 million.

• Purchaseco will contract with a nationally-recognized facility management firm to operate the Sommet Center, and structure the contract so that Nashville (the Authority) and Purchaseco would share the benefits from improved financial results.

• To assure the Authority and Nashville that the team will be competitive and the franchise has a chance to succeed, the owners would guarantee a minimum salary base of at least the midway point between the minimum and maximum requirements under the salary cap arrangements. This would be at least an $8 million investment over and above the required floor.

These are the highlights of our proposal. Detailed and appropriate language describing the foregoing can be submitted immediately when appropriate and upon the Authority’s request.

Let me summarize: the only changes my client would request in the current operating and licensing agreements would be changes that would benefit the Authority and the citizens of Nashville. If you feel that it is appropriate, my client is willing to meet with the Authority and any appropriate officials to further discuss the items outlined above, but, more importantly, to share his passion for hockey and his desire to bring a Stanley Cup to Nashville.

Thank you for the consideration of these comments.
When he sent this sincere letter to The Nashville Sports council, He was still taking Season Ticket deposits in Hamilton promising to move the team there when he aquired ownership. He also already had a lawsuit vs the city of Nashville drawn up and the moving vans ready for a midnight removal of the team to Hamilton. This came out in deposition from his own mouth!!!


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Show me where Bettman lied!!! Baldy had a website (makeit7) with press releases stating "Bettman hates Canada"
I 've got my shirt and hat. Maybe they'll become collector items someday.

Anyone know if there's a makeit 8?

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Hmm there is a nordiques logo but nothing else. The guy has a sense of humour, if you go to makeit9, it says, One step at a time, go to makeit8


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Anyone know if there's a makeit 8?
There is, makeiteighteh. Started by one of the regulars from makeit7. It however tends to be heavily political, conspiratorial
& "out there", though in its archives theres some interesting stuff on Phoenix, Moyes, the NHL etc.... much of it exhaustively researched and pretty incredible quite frankly.

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Show me where Bettman lied!!!
Jesus, I'm not going to rehash this. He's lied and bent the truth plenty of times to avoid telling the truth. It's sneaky and misleading... but what do you expect from a weasel?

You're naive to think otherwise.

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They can blame Jim all they want. Bottom line is, those responsible for the demise of the Yotes are those that refused to attend games.
I love the long drive excuse.
Is this not why Chimpman demanded 5 yr committments? He read the stats for the first Jets team and realized that the attendance killed the team more than any nonsense about currency.

And not only do we blame Jim, but we are celebrating his loss of RIM.

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There's a major difference. I can't believe that I am defending ANYTHING Winnipeg here, but Chipman and Thomson took a team that Bettman had to move out of Atlanta, because the operators of the arena who owned the team didn't want the team playing there under a new owner, and no new local owners would take a team without having an arena in which to play.

JB, on the other hand, told ownership and the local fans that he wouldn't relocate the team, all the while planning the relocation.
Yup, you got it SR58. It is no different from when the Jets had to be relocated from Winnipeg in 1996. Phoenix just received a team that could not be retained in the current market. It's all pretty simple really, once you take away the nasty internet blather by hockey fanatics with an internet connection and rudimentary typing skills.

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Is this not why Chimpman demanded 5 yr committments? He read the stats for the first Jets team and realized that the attendance killed the team more than any nonsense about currency.
Oooops. I thought you were on the right track, SR58. Was it lack of fan attendance that forced the Coyotes to move out of the AWA in downtown Phoenix? Clearly, you never visited the old Winnipeg arena. Now imagine a scenario where the Coyotes had do compete with the 85% of the league making $1.40 on the dollar for each fan due to currency differences, with no revenue sharing. They'd have had to sell the parking rights for $300 million to get a sniff from any new investors.

SR58, you're living in a rather fragile glass house to be casting even a small pebble critiquing fan interest in another market.

Oh, and based on your previous laughably pessimistic prognostications about the fan base and market in Winnipeg, I would have thought that you would avoid publicly bringing up the outstanding performance of the franchise in ST sales, and the like. I gotta admire your temerity.

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Is this not why Chimpman demanded 5 yr committments? He read the stats for the first Jets team and realized that the attendance killed the team more than any nonsense about currency.
Correction, attendance is what is killing the Jets 1.0 in Phoenix, but had little affect on the relocation of Jets 1.0 in Winnipeg.

I know I know, you confuse the two all the time. You're forgiven


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Show me where Bettman lied!!
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"We work very closely with clubs and if they're having troubles we look to do things that can be helpful," he said, "but no clubs are in any jeopardy if that's what your question is getting at."

Speaking about the Phoenix Coyotes, who could lose $35-million or more this year, Bettman said: "They're going to get through the season just fine."

Asked whether he'll be able to say the same thing next year, Bettman replied: "I assume so."
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Correction, attendance is what is killing the Jets 1.0 in Phoenix, but had little affect on the relocation of Jets 1.0 in Winnipeg.

I know I know, you confuse the two all the time. You're forgiven
Here is a breakdown of Jets attendance in Winnipeg. Seems you are wrong and yes, you are also forgiven.
From Jets Memorial http://www.curtiswalker.com/jets/attendance.aspx
1972-1973 39 6032
Regular Season 1973-1974 39 6483
Regular Season 1974-1975 38 8668
Regular Season 1975-1976 40 8926
Regular Season 1976-1977 40 8578
Regular Season 1977-1978 41 9408
Regular Season 1978-1979 41 8784
Regular Season 1979-1980 40 13295
Regular Season 1980-1981 40 13264
Regular Season 1981-1982 40 13382
Regular Season 1982-1983 40 12935
Regular Season 1983-1984 40 12398
Regular Season 1984-1985 40 12978
Regular Season 1985-1986 40 13694
Regular Season 1986-1987 40 13592
Regular Season 1987-1988 40 12681
Regular Season 1988-1989 40 12775
Regular Season 1989-1990 40 13105
Regular Season 1990-1991 40 12932
Regular Season 1991-1992 40 12990
Regular Season 1992-1993 42 13406
Regular Season 1993-1994 42 13130
Regular Season 1995 24 13012
Regular Season 1995-1996 41 11313

Looks pretty pathetic to me for a hockey hotbed, Schmuck. Perhaps the NHL needed all these years without a team in Winnipeg in order to grow the game

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And now, back to the thread topic, JB, he got what was coming to him. He got sacked. At least he'll have more time to contemplate how much fun it would have been to own an NHL team.

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Here is a breakdown of Jets attendance in Winnipeg. Seems you are wrong and yes, you are also forgiven.
From Jets Memorial http://www.curtiswalker.com/jets/attendance.aspx
1972-1973 39 6032
Regular Season 1973-1974 39 6483
Regular Season 1974-1975 38 8668
Regular Season 1975-1976 40 8926
Regular Season 1976-1977 40 8578
Regular Season 1977-1978 41 9408
Regular Season 1978-1979 41 8784
Regular Season 1979-1980 40 13295
Regular Season 1980-1981 40 13264
Regular Season 1981-1982 40 13382
Regular Season 1982-1983 40 12935
Regular Season 1983-1984 40 12398
Regular Season 1984-1985 40 12978
Regular Season 1985-1986 40 13694
Regular Season 1986-1987 40 13592
Regular Season 1987-1988 40 12681
Regular Season 1988-1989 40 12775
Regular Season 1989-1990 40 13105
Regular Season 1990-1991 40 12932
Regular Season 1991-1992 40 12990
Regular Season 1992-1993 42 13406
Regular Season 1993-1994 42 13130
Regular Season 1995 24 13012
Regular Season 1995-1996 41 11313

Looks pretty pathetic to me for a hockey hotbed, Schmuck.
Actually, that was pretty much the norm for the small market Canadian teams throughout the 80s and 90s. In considering those teams that were moved and those that "almost" moved, in all cases, none involved a lack of fan support, like it does in Phoenix. This is common knowledge my desert dwelling dude, that has been rehashed over and over and over. I know that it's killing you to realize that the greater Phoenix area doesn't have enough die-hard hockey fans to support the team, but bless your heart for trying to prove otherwise.

All is forgiven

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Actually, that was pretty much the norm for the small market Canadian teams. In considering the those that were moved and those that "almost" moved, in all cases, none involved a lack of fan support, like it does in Phoenix. This is common knowledge my desert dwelling dude, that has been rehashed over and over and over. I know that it's killing you to realize that the greater Phoenix area doesn't have enough die-hard hockey fans to support the team, but bless your heart for trying to prove otherwise.

All is forgiven good buddy
I like how you include small market. Quebec was higher and so was Toronto! which only had 3.7 million back then.

But of course this is off topic.

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ahhh forget it

I share your pain.

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