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01-23-2012, 02:34 PM
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Frank Provenzano, Master Negotiator

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01-23-2012, 02:39 PM
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They hire Jerry to come in and do contract negotiations

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01-23-2012, 03:06 PM
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We were a franchise with non bad contracts besides of Pardy. Now we have Goose with 800k-1Mil overpayment and some of you would count Daley.
Daley's is too long and Robidas' is just bad. Morrow isn't producing up to his but it was a good contract when he signed it.

Is there really a NMC in this new contract? It's like they feel like they have to sign these players to these contracts. Here's an idea, play hardball with him and trade him the deadline before his UFA summer for chrissakes.

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Slightly overpaid for him, but I'm content with the deal and length of his contract.

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Benn doesn't deserve anything more than what Logan Couture got.

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I'd gladly see the Stars pay more to Goligoski than Daley.

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01-23-2012, 04:15 PM
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What a retarded contract. What the hell is wrong with this team.

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01-23-2012, 07:35 PM
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I'm happy Gogo has been extended, obviously the price being lower
would have been ideal, but it's not outrageous.

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01-23-2012, 08:45 PM
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Wow we have a board of over reactors here. You'd think the dude just got 6m a year or something. I'm fairly confident he'll be living up to that contract during the duration of it. He's a good defenseman and we need him, he knows this. 4.6 M as a percentage of the cap isn't really that bad, it would have been a few years ago, but definitely isn't now.

They can't all be Eriksson's deal. We aren't the Detroit Red Wings. We suck and have sucked for the last 3 years. He came from Pittsburgh where they won a cup, it's as much a risk for him as us.

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01-23-2012, 08:51 PM
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"KNOWN CLAUSES: Limited NTC (2013-14 through 2015-16)"

Uh...
Fire Joe.

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01-23-2012, 09:02 PM
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Fire Joe.
It's almost like they don't even try to use the NTC as a negotiating point and they just ask the player after negotiations are done if they want one

Like the Daley contract I like this outside of the NTC which isn't a big deal for me with goose

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01-23-2012, 09:24 PM
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Fire Joe.
You have to wonder if the price was so high in hopes he would attempt to live up to the horribly lopsided trade it is turning out to be.
As far as the NTC goes, I really don't have a clue.
You'd think that would bring down the price a tad.

EDIT: I think I just answered my own question.

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01-23-2012, 09:44 PM
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This doesn't make sense. Joe has signed some terrible contracts, and then there's Eriksson's (best contract in the league) How the hell is this happening? Couple this with the terrible drafting until last year, and I just don't get it. He honestly seems like a terrible negotiator if he's doing these.

If any of you honestly believe that Goli is worth 4.6 mil/season please speak now so I can block you.

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01-23-2012, 09:52 PM
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I actually think it's a very fair contract.

Just sayin'.

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01-23-2012, 10:11 PM
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This doesn't make sense. Joe has signed some terrible contracts, and then there's Eriksson's (best contract in the league) How the hell is this happening? Couple this with the terrible drafting until last year, and I just don't get it. He honestly seems like a terrible negotiator if he's doing these.

If any of you honestly believe that Goli is worth 4.6 mil/season please speak now so I can block you.
I don't believe Joe had a hand in Eriksson's contract, might be wrong.

What exactly are these "terrible contracts"? I know Ott's and Daley's are a bit absurd, but they could be a lot worse. At least we don't throw 7 million at a guy who may not even produce (see: NYR).

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I actually think it's a very fair contract.

Just sayin'.
Same... I wonder what price tag people here would find reasonable for a non-traditional hockey city signing a fairly well-regarded defenseman on a perpetually-losing team.

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Same... I wonder what price tag people here would find reasonable for a non-traditional hockey city signing a fairly well-regarded defenseman on a perpetually-losing team.
How about the organization having the confidence in the team being a desirable place to ply one's hockey trade in a couple years that you don't feel the compulsion to buy a player out of a year or two of UFA? At first glance I just thought it was a slight over-payment but when you add in ANY kind of NMC to the equation it's laughable.

Look, I get wanting to keep Goligoski in a Stars uniform for the foreseeable future but it has yet to be seen exactly what Goligoski is. He's been in a Stars sweater for less than a calendar year, and injured for part of that. The Daley contract is a bit crazy in length but I can at least understand the argument for keeping a guy who gets incrementally better each season and is a generally solid NHL player under contract for quite a while with a relatively reasonable salary. Goligoski has not yet in his career played like a $4.6 million player.

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Two wrongs don't make a right. Neither does three.
I guess I just don't feel like this is a wrong.

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This doesn't make sense. Joe has signed some terrible contracts, and then there's Eriksson's (best contract in the league) How the hell is this happening? Couple this with the terrible drafting until last year, and I just don't get it. He honestly seems like a terrible negotiator if he's doing these.

If any of you honestly believe that Goli is worth 4.6 mil/season please speak now so I can block you.
Best get to blocking me, doesn't make a difference though.

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01-23-2012, 10:48 PM
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Same... I wonder what price tag people here would find reasonable for a non-traditional hockey city signing a fairly well-regarded defenseman on a perpetually-losing team.
So we're supposed to pay a premium for our own RFAs because the front office realized, 19 years on, they are in Texas?

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01-23-2012, 10:54 PM
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I actually think it's a very fair contract.

Just sayin'.
So Daley's then would be excellent?
Would there be a word in the English language to describe Eriksson's?
I'm just not seeing how paying more than almost everyone's highest expectations with a NTC to boot qualifies as very fair.

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If Goligoski really hates Dallas so much that they have to pay that much to keep him for a reasonable amount of time, wouldn't it be pretty easy to negotiate out of a NMC?

(exaggeration in case it wasn't clear)

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So Daley's then would be excellent?
Would there be a word in the English language to describe Eriksson's?
I'm just not seeing how paying more than almost everyone's highest expectations with a NTC to boot qualifies as very fair.
-Goligoski has already shown more than Daley. Deserves the heftier paycheque, IMO. Daley's certainly improved, though.

-Amazing. Obviously, Loui's a gem on this team. We're very lucky to have him signed to that contract. Joe sees Gogo as his top d-man, and considering what he paid to get him, this should be obvious. I think he's got all the tools to be that #1 blueliner, and now we get a chance to watch him do just that over the next few years.

-Can't defend the NTC.....honestly I don't know what Joe sees in those, he uses them far too often. But I'm still happy with this deal, and look forward to Gogo entering his prime years in Dallas.

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Might as well look at other D-men getting paid around the same.

Mark Giordano - 28 games played, 10 total points, $4.6mil salary
Steve Montador - 46 games played, 13 total points, $4.6mil salary
Luke Schenn - 46 games played, 13 total points, $4.6mil salary
John-Michael Liles - 34 games played, 21 total points, $4.55mil salary
Dennis Wideman - 47 games played, 33 total points, $4.5mil salary
Joni Pitkanen - 21 games played, 12 total points, $4.5mil salary
Anton Volchenkov - 40 games played, 6 total points, $4.25mil salary
Dustin Byfuglien - 35 games played, 24 total points, $4.25mil salary
Andrej Sekera - 40 games played, 8 total points, $4.25mil salary
Keith Ballard - 28 games played, 18 total points, $4.2mil salary
Mark Streit - 46 games played, 26 total points, $4.1mil salary
Tobias Enstrom - 28 games played, 18 total points, $4mil salary

Alex Goligoski - 36 games played, 15 total points, currently at $2.75mil salary. He's obviously not having a great season but neither is the rest of the team, but his numbers, at least offensively, are right up there with people making as much as we just signed him for. I didn't even bother checking people making more than him but I'm sure there are plenty of stinkers.

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