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01-23-2012, 03:33 PM
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i like kule, i think he would be a great fit on our 3rd line even if he doesn't get his game back in order. love his backchecking and the potential for a physical game from him. he has elements in his game that are badly missing from our bottom 6 with simmonds and ponikarovsky elsewhere. of course, he has the potential to be much more, but even if he continues his struggles, he has desirable skills. perhaps some reduced expectations and a change of scenery could help his game out.

not saying i'd trade bernier for him straight up, because it's a peculiar situation for both teams in terms of the value each player holds to the team, but i like kulemin. if the leafs were willing to part with him, i'd be interested. he's not a solution, but he's a good piece to have.

grabovski would be the most likely kings target in the event of a bernier to the leafs deal, and i can't see him being dealt since he's the only consistent threat aside from kessel and lupul. plus, richards looked like garbage on the wing when he played with kopitar earlier this season.

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01-23-2012, 03:45 PM
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bernier to philly for simmonds
No. Unless you want to send Richie back and take Bryz off our hands...

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01-23-2012, 04:32 PM
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01-23-2012, 05:56 PM
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Reimer hasn't even played a full season. And Gustavsson has outplayed him the entire year, how can they be among the best tandems in the league???
I see that you have choose to ignore "potential" "but may also fall flat on their face". Also, at 23 they are both fairly young, and IMO if it wasn't for the early season injury, Reimer would still be the dominant player he was last season.

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I'd be curious to see what TB would want built around Bernier/Connolly. Bernier/Martinez for Connolly/?.

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I'd be curious to see what TB would want built around Bernier/Connolly. Bernier/Martinez for Connolly/?.
I don't see the Kings trading for just Connolly. The Kings are only going to give up Bernier for an elite winger, and I personally do not believe connolly fits that description. I could possibly see Connolly fitting in in some sort of package deal, but I don't think TB has the other "parts" the Kings would want. If Bernier were to be traded the Kings would want at least a backup goalie included in the package - would be weird to see Garon again...

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01-24-2012, 12:31 PM
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01-24-2012, 12:54 PM
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So sick of the proposals that include Hemsky. The Kings dont want him. He's an above average winger, who's got questionable character (reportedly) and is always hurt. Definitely not what DL is looking for. He's looking for a "sure thing," a winger that can be depended on to make consistent contributions.

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There appears to be a rather large discrepancy here between what Kings fans know Bernier's value to be, and what Leafs fans believe his value to be...
That's a confusing statement. A player's trade value is based entirely on the perception the other teams have of him. Were you talking about Bernier's value to the Kings?

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That's a confusing statement. A player's trade value is based entirely on the perception the other teams have of him. Were you talking about Bernier's value to the Kings?
I was referring to the fact that a lot of the non-Kings fans on here who don't watch the team night-in, night-out seem to grossly undervalue Bernier. He's not a prospect, he's proven himself at the NHL level. The Kings aren't going to trade him for scrap pieces.

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01-24-2012, 01:22 PM
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We are just looking for a top line winger. Toronto is a tough one, because I can't see many assets that I would be confident sticking into the lineup with Kopitar and Richards and expecting sustained goal scoring from. Perhaps Kadri. But I would be more inclined to talk with the Lightning about Brett Connolly. In the end, neither is overly appealing, and don't seem the be the solution we are looking for this season, but at least Connolly gives you something good to build on on the wings.

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There appears to be a rather large discrepancy here between what Kings fans know Bernier's value to be, and what Leafs fans believe his value to be... If our 2 GM's are talking, I can only hope that they are on more of a similar page than that of the people on the boards right now...

I'll say it until I'm blue in the face, the only way the Kings trader Bernier is if a top-flight winger is coming back to them.
Look at what Varlamov fetched. And add to it. Bernier is a better goalie than Simeon.

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Package Bernier, Brown/JJ, Hickey, & a pick/prospect of some sort for Nash & Mason(CBJ).

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To Kings: Vladislav Namestnikov, Nikita Kucherov and 2012 1st
To Lightings: Bernier
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To Kings: Joe Colborne, Brad Ross and 2012 1st
To Leafs: Bernier

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01-24-2012, 02:25 PM
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Package Bernier, Brown/JJ, Hickey, & a pick/prospect of some sort for Nash & Mason(CBJ).
There's no way the Kings can do a deal like that unless Columbus takes on Penner or Stoll for the rest of the year.

Not to mention do you really think the Kings should take on a backup making more than Quick? The $2.9 mil cap hit Mason has next year would also hurt the Kings going forward. They're spending close to the cap now, you can't have a bad backup that's going to be overpaid by that much. That would be probably $2 mil in dead-weight against the cap. Heck, Mason counts almost as much as Quick and Bernier do combined ($2.9 mil for Mason and $3.05 for Quick and Bernier).

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There's no way the Kings can do a deal like that unless Columbus takes on Penner or Stoll for the rest of the year.

Not to mention do you really think the Kings should take on a backup making more than Quick? The $2.9 mil cap hit Mason has next year would also hurt the Kings going forward. They're spending close to the cap now, you can't have a bad backup that's going to be overpaid by that much. That would be probably $2 mil in dead-weight against the cap. Heck, Mason counts almost as much as Quick and Bernier do combined ($2.9 mil for Mason and $3.05 for Quick and Bernier).
Point well taken. Forgot to look at the cap hit of Mason, plus Nash's just flat out freaks me out! I'm just dying for the Kings to get an impact winger, we can't depend on Kyle Clifford to lead our offense every night!

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Package Bernier, Brown/JJ, Hickey, & a pick/prospect of some sort for Nash & Mason(CBJ).
Or even better, Carter.

Bernier, Martinez, Loktionov/Stoll/roster player, 1st. Something along those lines. Or something else. But hey, Kings have Richards already. Go bigger. Do it, Dean.

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01-24-2012, 02:40 PM
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First off, forget about the source and the legitimacy of the "rumour".
(Hey, even a blind squirrel will end up finding a nut every once in a while)

But when a certain blogger wrote about this "Buzz" it got me thinking about whether there could actually be a fit.

"*The Lightning and Maple Leafs are both very interested in Kings backup goalie Jonathan Bernier. My sources are almost all in agreement here and the common thread appears to be the Kings want a goalie in return along with a solid forward."


Could a deal between the Kings and the Leafs work?

Bernier for Gustavsson + MacArthur?


Thoughts?

(again... thoughts on the value of the proposal I made. Not interested in the credibility of the so-called "source". We all know there isn't much there!)
While maybe a somewhat fair offer in terms of trade value (though even that can be debated) this offer doesn't take LA's needs into considerration much at all.

LA doesn't need Gustavsson at all, even if they did deal Bernier, and MacArthur is the same as what LA already has; an average-sized two-way player with some skill but not enough to really make a significant difference.

LA likely won't deal Bernier at all until Quick is locked up long-term, but if they did, it'd have to be in a package deal for someone who can legitimately get the offense firing. Who on toronto can honestly do that? Kessel likely is the only answer, and no way Toronto deals Kessel for Bernier.

I also doubt LA deals Bernier in a deal to get Grabovski, as I don't think he's either a Sutter/Lombardi type of player, nor do I think he's the type of guy to kick start the offense for LA.

LA likely, IMO, will either go balls out for a Parise-type, or go low-key and try to improve the lower lines with guys like Gaustad, Moen, etc. I expect the biggest pick up the Kings will do is take a flyer on a guy like Prospal or Huselius from Columbus, or a similar skilled/cost forward.

Maybe after the season the Kings and Leafs can start doing some talks about Bernier for Kadri/Frattin/Colbourne or some other younger forwards/prospects.

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To Kings: Vladislav Namestnikov, Nikita Kucherov and 2012 1st
To Lightings: Bernier
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To Kings: Joe Colborne, Brad Ross and 2012 1st
To Leafs: Bernier
Varlamov got a 1st, potentially top 10 but just a 1st. Your asking for 2 firsts and a 2nd for Bernier? Take the 1st or Colborne/Namestnikov out and it seems more fair

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To Kings: Vladislav Namestnikov, Nikita Kucherov and 2012 1st
To Lightings: Bernier
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To Kings: Joe Colborne, Brad Ross and 2012 1st
To Leafs: Bernier
Not sure on the Leafs one (not a big fan of Ross TBH) but I'd be all over the Lightning one. To bad this is from a Kings fan as I'm sure the Bolts fans will have a hay day with it.

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Penner, Bernier
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Gusto, nobody


Now you have cap space to deal for a proper top 6.

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Penner, Bernier
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Now you have cap space to deal for a proper top 6.
Of course the Leafs would have to deal away Macarthur for the cap space

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Varlamov got a 1st, potentially top 10 but just a 1st. Your asking for 2 firsts and a 2nd for Bernier? Take the 1st or Colborne/Namestnikov out and it seems more fair
Varlamov was traded for a first in 2012 and a second in 2013

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Keep Bernier until we see how Quick performs in the playoffs and he signs an extension. Go for a smaller deal like the ones mentioned. Huselius makese sense considering his familiarity with Sutter

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Penner, Bernier
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Now you have cap space to deal for a proper top 6.


How is trading away a winger and a goalie for another more expensive goalie
and upgrade at our left wing position ???????
BTW Penner is UFA after this season and his salary is off the books if he isn't willing to sign for peanuts.

So by adding a more expensive goalie we save more salary ????

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