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01-24-2012, 07:23 PM
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Shooting on the fast break instead of passing

Every game at least 3-4 times, you'll see Gaborik or Richards or Stepan on a fast break where they are leading off to the side a little. Instead of shooting, they pass back into traffic and it is usually broken up. Tonight, Mitchell just scored shooting instead of passing. What I'm getting at is every time I'm shouting at the TV "shoot the damn puck!" but instead they pass and it's almost always broken up. Wondering if anyone else noticed.

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01-24-2012, 07:58 PM
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mitchell really had nobody to pass to that wasnt one of those 2 on 0 pass or shoot kinda plays....

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01-24-2012, 08:08 PM
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I'm pretty confident that the new York rangers know what to do

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I trust that NHLers know better than you do when they should shoot or pass.

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01-24-2012, 08:31 PM
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NHL pro or Average Joe... ill trust the NHL pro with the decision.

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01-24-2012, 10:14 PM
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The best way to generate high quality scoring chances is a series of passes, not a low quality shot, which is what you'll get off of most rushes. Mitchell scored tonight because Pavelec was out of position.

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01-24-2012, 11:00 PM
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if theyre gonna take a low percentage shot it should be hard and low so theres a greater chance it generates a rebound

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01-24-2012, 11:23 PM
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I trust that NHLers know better than you do when they should shoot or pass.
He's just commenting on what he sees, and I could agree. We do play a patient game, but ironically we can be a real mess in the offensive zone. Tonight, Callahan did a good thing when he passed it to Boyle as soon as he crossed the blue line. He peeled back and looked for his other linemates to catch up and beat their defenders out, which they did, and gave him the puck. He hit the post on that shot too.

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01-25-2012, 02:57 PM
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I'm pretty confident that the new York rangers know what to do
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I trust that NHLers know better than you do when they should shoot or pass.
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NHL pro or Average Joe... ill trust the NHL pro with the decision.

If it wasn't for "armchair coach" threads and opinions, this site would cease to exist.

Also, some of them may not know what to do at that point, and that is what separates the NHL pro from the NHL all star.

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01-25-2012, 03:37 PM
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It also depands on who is shooting.

Coming down off the wing, if you shoot, make sure it's low and to the goalie's far leg.

More often than not, if it's not a goal, this results is a pad stop and quite often a nice rebound.

In general, as a team, the Rangers pass way more often than they should. You would think that NHL players would know better, but they don't.

The passing issue for the Rangers is a real problem one that is quite evident on the power play.

Last night, Richards no looks a pass on the tape of Del Zotto, instead of shooting as the goalie is moving, he tried that pretty bull **** pass across the goal mouth to Callahan.

Shoot the ****ing puck there Dizzy. Goalie moving laterally means there are openings.

There's a misguided mindset to pass on the PP when they should be shooting just as much as there is also some misguided mindset to pass on odd man rushes, but to a lesser degree.

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01-25-2012, 04:08 PM
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They need to read the play. If the pass is open, make the pass. If the passing lane is closed, take a shot. If the goalie shuts down your scoring options with his positioning, take a low hard shot off of his offside pads and let your teammates get a chance at the rebounds. This team rarely takes the open shot and opts to try and make an impossible pass. Only person I see that does not do this is Cally, and sometimes Gabby. Either way, this team is excellent and I love watching them play

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01-25-2012, 04:18 PM
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Personally, I felt that a problem with the team in years past was that we shot too much and lacked creativity, especially when we played Drury and Callahan together.

Contrary to what Eddie Olczyk says, there is a such thing as a bad shot. When Callahan first came up, the thing I hated most about him was that he threw everything on net and never picked his head up and looked for the pass. A big reason that he has gotten better and developed offensively is that he now will look to move the puck around instead of just throwing it on net for the sake of it.

I think this team, especially compared to other teams, has a good balance of creating both garbage goals and creative goals. The best teams have a good balance to keep defenses on their toes.

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01-25-2012, 04:53 PM
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1)Shot on goal = end of puck possession. Think twice before turning the puck over, at least do not miss the net.
2)On the breakaway only goalie mistake results in scoring from straight shot. You can shoot only if you faked the pass. Hockey is a game, so deception is everything, while the luck is just little something.

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01-25-2012, 06:25 PM
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They need to read the play. If the pass is open, make the pass. If the passing lane is closed, take a shot. If the goalie shuts down your scoring options with his positioning, take a low hard shot off of his offside pads and let your teammates get a chance at the rebounds.

This team rarely takes the open shot and opts to try and make an impossible pass. Only person I see that does not do this is Cally, and sometimes Gabby. Either way, this team is excellent and I love watching them play
What I bolded is the best answer. There is no correct way of playing a 2 on 1 break. There are so many variables it's ridiculous. The correct play is like trying to define porn, you know it when you see it.

10 bucks you play(ed) hockey AJ..........

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It's funny how most announcers praise players for being "unselfish" when they pass up a good shot opportunity for a low percentage pass to get a better shot. You should do the smart thing. Not the unselfish thing. You can be unselfish in the last 30 seconds of a 5-1 game.

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01-25-2012, 08:31 PM
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It's funny how most announcers praise players for being "unselfish" when they pass up a good shot opportunity for a low percentage pass to get a better shot. You should do the smart thing. Not the unselfish thing. You can be unselfish in the last 30 seconds of a 5-1 game.
Our guys often say that they're being too unselfish

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01-25-2012, 08:32 PM
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When there isn't a clear shot or open pass, I always like the make the "easy" shot and generate a juicy rebound goal op plays.

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01-25-2012, 11:35 PM
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Sarcastic jokes aside on this board, honestly shooting is not a bad thing and its true sometimes even me when i play you have to really tell youself to look for the shot or sometime you games without getting one, but i do agree they could look for the shot more often if they get traffic going to the net, otherwise it not much of a threat.

For me the real issue with the team is the PP, and its starts with Brad who has to start changing speeds, faking shots, pivoting more using his skating to make space. Hes just stationary, tries to freeze and make that all or nothing pass, and its just not the way a PP should work to be good. Its not fluid like a Letang who always pivoting making it harder in Pkers. Trust me this is the real issue over shooting when gaining the zone. Other players also have to move more, but i think it starts with him, and he has to be much better as QB who is playing the full 2 mins.

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Most of the time guys try to be too cute with their passes. Or they pass to Brian Boyle who can never handle them. I would like to see them shoot more in that situation and try to get a rebound.

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If it wasn't for "armchair coach" threads and opinions, this site would cease to exist.

Also, some of them may not know what to do at that point, and that is what separates the NHL pro from the NHL all star.
Well said.

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If it wasn't for "armchair coach" threads and opinions, this site would cease to exist.

Also, some of them may not know what to do at that point, and that is what separates the NHL pro from the NHL all star.
+1 for this.

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What I bolded is the best answer. There is no correct way of playing a 2 on 1 break. There are so many variables it's ridiculous. The correct play is like trying to define porn, you know it when you see it.

10 bucks you play(ed) hockey AJ..........
This is 100% accurate.The Rangers and every other NHL, AHL, and youth hockey team. Everybody shoots to score usually tring to go bar down.

Depending upon your angle, you should not always be shooting to score (Sounds crazy, but is true).

One player on the Rangers who always shoots low to far pad so goalie has to kick rebound in the slot is Callahan. If he is being pushed wide by the D. he will always get it on net low.

Torts has lamented the Rangers lack of rebound goals. This is the asnwer.

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Just because they're playing in the NHL and are professionals doesn't mean they are perfect entities incapable of error. If these guys were making the 100% correct play every shift of every game, we would be 47-0-0 right now. Sure, they're better than the average Joe Shmo at the game, but vision of the game as a whole from an outsider's perspective is something different. We can see lanes pretty easily and extremely open areas of the ice easily. We have the ability to see behind a player, see the trailer streaking down the ice directly behind the puck carrier who may not have any idea that there's someone behind him he can just drop it to. Instead he tries to make a cross ice pass and it gets broken up. Did they make the right play? As spectators and fans (and just humans with opinions), we can say whatever we want.

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