HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Montreal Canadiens
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The Trade Proposal Thread ‎2012

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
01-24-2012, 06:04 PM
  #251
Em Ancien
Sexy 2nd Rounder
 
Em Ancien's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Mount Real Life
Posts: 8,881
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Protest the Hero View Post
I would've taken Nash a couple of years ago, but considering the price, he hasn't shown me that he can carry a team yet.
They need puck movers and a better PP. And better goaltending.

That team is just a mess at the moment to be honest.

Em Ancien is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 06:13 PM
  #252
S Bah
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: victoria bc
Country: Wales
Posts: 4,806
vCash: 50
After hearing that both Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien are both out of Winnipeg's lineup maybe Gauthier can swing a deal that could bring the Habs two huge power forwards to give the Habs a team capable of a long playoff run.Haters gotta hate the Habs don't have that problem lots of love even tough love,the Habs need their type of game against Boston,Ottawa,Philly etc.

S Bah is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 06:48 PM
  #253
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Bah View Post
After hearing that both Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien are both out of Winnipeg's lineup maybe Gauthier can swing a deal that could bring the Habs two huge power forwards to give the Habs a team capable of a long playoff run.Haters gotta hate the Habs don't have that problem lots of love even tough love,the Habs need their type of game against Boston,Ottawa,Philly etc.
I wouldn't touch Byfuglien with a 10 foot pole, lazy and out of shape, expect injuries and lackadaysical play.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 06:49 PM
  #254
Halifaxhab*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Bah View Post
After hearing that both Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien are both out of Winnipeg's lineup maybe Gauthier can swing a deal that could bring the Habs two huge power forwards to give the Habs a team capable of a long playoff run.Haters gotta hate the Habs don't have that problem lots of love even tough love,the Habs need their type of game against Boston,Ottawa,Philly etc.
Now isn't the time to try and swing blockbuster trades. We simply don't have enough assets to cover the depth we need next season.

Trade all our upcoming UFAs

Moen - 2nd
Gill - 2nd/3rd
Campoli - 3rd/4th
AK - try to resign him before the deadline, if he doesn't, trade him - 1st or 2nd + prospect

Call up guys like Palushaj (3rd line), Mitera (3rd pairing), Shultz (4th line, grit)

ride out the season, try and draft one of Grigorenko/Galchenyuk (dependant on our pick's standing, assets needed to land one)

waive Gomez

resign all our RFAs

Now we have some cap space to bring in a UFA or two to fill in on D

Halifaxhab* is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 07:02 PM
  #255
417
Registered User
 
417's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Haiti
Posts: 19,441
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
In terms of size I think Plekanec is heavier, Carter is built much like Pouliot(ok not quite that bad), not a big gym rat. Shot, I could really care less wether a guy shoots left or right.

The fact that Carter is moody and has laready worn out his welcome on 2 teams in the past year is a concern though.
Maybe you could really care less if a guy shoots left or right...But on the ice, in game situations, it matters.

Also, debating whether Carter is bigger than Plekanec is not really a debate at all. Not that I think size is everything either, mind you.

417 is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 07:04 PM
  #256
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 417 View Post
Maybe you could really care less if a guy shoots left or right...But on the ice, in game situations, it matters.

Also, debating whether Carter is bigger than Plekanec is not really a debate at all. Not that I think size is everything either, mind you.
Plekanec plays bigger than Carter, so that's not a factor. If we were talking Getzlaf(a guy whith size who uses it) it would be different.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 07:10 PM
  #257
417
Registered User
 
417's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Ottawa
Country: Haiti
Posts: 19,441
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
Plekanec plays bigger than Carter, so that's not a factor. If we were talking Getzlaf(a guy whith size who uses it) it would be different.
Again, that's your opinion...I think he spends alot of the time playing on the end of his stick, makes me even wonder if he's hurt, because while i've never thought he was gritty or physically committed on a game to game basis. I don't recall him being this timid as a player and it's something that goes back to last year's second half of the season.

I don't think Carter plays a very robust game either mind you...

417 is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 08:51 PM
  #258
Frozenice
the random dude
 
Frozenice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,342
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
I wouldn't touch Byfuglien with a 10 foot pole, lazy and out of shape, expect injuries and lackadaysical play.
Have you actually watched him play this year because that is flat out wrong.

Frozenice is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 09:34 PM
  #259
Fuelled by Passion
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Winnipeg
Country: Canada
Posts: 565
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by S Bah View Post
After hearing that both Evander Kane and Dustin Byfuglien are both out of Winnipeg's lineup maybe Gauthier can swing a deal that could bring the Habs two huge power forwards to give the Habs a team capable of a long playoff run.
I don't think Habs can offer what it takes to even come close to a deal.

Fuelled by Passion is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 10:57 PM
  #260
AgentM
Registered User
 
AgentM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Allison Park, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,827
vCash: 500
Hey guys, Pens fan here. I've always loved Andrei Kostitsyn and think he would be a perfect fit for Bylsma's system. (I apologize if this is the 100th time a Pens fan has asked about what it would take to get him, I searched this whole thread but didn't see anything).

It seems that the standard return is a 1st or a prospect and a 2nd. Would Eric Tangradi and the Pens 2nd rounder be considered a reasonable offer?

Thanks guys!

AgentM is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 11:00 PM
  #261
Beakermania*
 
Beakermania*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Kingston or Hamilton
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,964
vCash: 500
Reasonable? Yes its reasonable... but it doesn't knock my socks off either.

I'd try to re-sign AK first.
Then I'd shop him around to see if there was a better offer.
Then thirdly I'd take what you propose.

Its not bad, but I'm not sure its the best we can do either.

Beakermania* is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 11:17 PM
  #262
AgentM
Registered User
 
AgentM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Allison Park, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 6,827
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commandant View Post
Reasonable? Yes its reasonable... but it doesn't knock my socks off either.

I'd try to re-sign AK first.
Then I'd shop him around to see if there was a better offer.
Then thirdly I'd take what you propose.

Its not bad, but I'm not sure its the best we can do either.
Fair enough, I can understand that. What from the Pens would be preferable (but not ridiculous) as a counter offer? Also, what will the expected asking price for Gill be?

AgentM is offline  
Old
01-24-2012, 11:33 PM
  #263
groovejuice
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Posts: 3,081
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Commandant View Post
Reasonable? Yes its reasonable... but it doesn't knock my socks off either.

I'd try to re-sign AK first.
Then I'd shop him around to see if there was a better offer.
Then thirdly I'd take what you propose.

Its not bad, but I'm not sure its the best we can do either.
If it's really true that AK will give a home town discount to stay in Montreal, you can't sign him to a lesser amount, then turn around and trade him. This is dealing in bad faith, and these kind of shady dealings will only be a red flag for FAs.

groovejuice is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 03:16 AM
  #264
MasterDecoy
Carlos Danger
 
MasterDecoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Beijing
Posts: 9,905
vCash: 1707
Quote:
Originally Posted by AgentM View Post
Fair enough, I can understand that. What from the Pens would be preferable (but not ridiculous) as a counter offer? Also, what will the expected asking price for Gill be?
a second definitely gets you gill. realistically, a third oughtta do it

MasterDecoy is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 05:08 AM
  #265
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozenice View Post
Have you actually watched him play this year because that is flat out wrong.
He makes Mike Green look like a safe defenseman plus he is 20lbs overweight.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 06:02 AM
  #266
NH57
Habs 4 Life
 
NH57's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Country: Canada
Posts: 3,543
vCash: 500
What would it take to get Milan Lucic out of Boston, something along the lines of Kostitsyn+Weber+Gionta+3rd round?

Also, I would trade Plekanec for picks (1st and 2nd) plus 1 or 2 good prospects...
Maybe Plekanec+Markov+our 1st to Edmonton for Eberle, Paajarv, edmontons 1st?

NH57 is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 06:15 AM
  #267
Corncob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,901
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by noahhabib View Post
What would it take to get Milan Lucic out of Boston, something along the lines of Kostitsyn+Weber+Gionta+3rd round?
No, nothing remotely along the lines of that. Explain why exactly Boston would like to significantly downgrade Lucic (who is 3 years younger, out produces AK in addition to the many other, umm, attributes he brings and is RFA in two years) to Kostitsyn (UFA at end of year)? In return for a winger that they don't need, can't fit under the salary cap and is out for the season, a PMD defender that is not better than Kampfer, is waiver eligable and would need to be waived. Ooh and a third round pick, shiny.

Don't you think that Boston should be looking to improve their roster for the remainder of the season if they make any moves, not make it worse?

Quote:
Also, I would trade Plekanec for picks (1st and 2nd) plus 1 or 2 good prospects...
Maybe Plekanec+Markov+our 1st to Edmonton for Eberle, Paajarv, edmontons 1st?
Oh dear God

Corncob is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 06:28 AM
  #268
MasterDecoy
Carlos Danger
 
MasterDecoy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Beijing
Posts: 9,905
vCash: 1707
Quote:
Originally Posted by Habtacular View Post
Oh dear God
i don't quite see why this is a god-quoting bad proposal. seems oddly fair enough. although, remove plek from our lineup and add it to failmonton and i see our pick being lower than theirs.

don't ask edmonton fans though, they wouldn't move eberle even for price, so for the fans, this guy is nigh untouchable

MasterDecoy is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 06:34 AM
  #269
Corncob
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 1,901
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterDecoy View Post
i don't quite see why this is a god-quoting bad proposal. seems oddly fair enough. although, remove plek from our lineup and add it to failmonton and i see our pick being lower than theirs.

don't ask edmonton fans though, they wouldn't move eberle even for price, so for the fans, this guy is nigh untouchable
And rightly so, the guy is scoring at a PPG this season, 17th overall in NHL scoring and still has a year left on his ELC, why would they?

I don't even know how to evaluate the value on MPS who's having a sophomore slump after looking very promising last season, vs a guy who last played when MPS was in Swedish little school. Or thereabouts.

Corncob is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 07:30 AM
  #270
karatekid
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Posts: 57
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by groovejuice View Post
If it's really true that AK will give a home town discount to stay in Montreal, you can't sign him to a lesser amount, then turn around and trade him. This is dealing in bad faith, and these kind of shady dealings will only be a red flag for FAs.
Lots of Kots rumors out there. Then again, to be expected with UFA status coming up. He's mentioned here a few times:

http://puckbandits.com/2012/01/25/pa...l-star-rumerz/

karatekid is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 07:42 AM
  #271
Monctonscout
Monctonscout
 
Monctonscout's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 30,506
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frozenice View Post
Have you actually watched him play this year because that is flat out wrong.
Yes I have, he brings a lot offensively but he could care less about defense.

Monctonscout is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 09:57 AM
  #272
S Bah
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: victoria bc
Country: Wales
Posts: 4,806
vCash: 50
Suter (Nash) Johnson (LA) and Brassard(Col) are the names most prominent for the Habs.While Andrei Kostitsyn,Travis Moen and Hal Gill are players most likely to be traded.Suter will be a UFA at seasons end,so that leaves Johnson as most likely to come to Montreal as the price for Brassard will include our #1 draft pick.Jack Johnson is 6'1 231lbs def.salary is $4.357 a yr.for 6 more seasons and our defence can use some help.

S Bah is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 11:14 AM
  #273
Frozenice
the random dude
 
Frozenice's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,342
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carey Price View Post
Yes I have, he brings a lot offensively but he could care less about defense.
In the past 2 years our biggest problem during the playoffs has been not having anyone to match up against Pronger and Chara. Byfuglien can solve this problem and if that means getting a very defensive-centric right wing to be on the ice the same time he is isn't that difficult a problem to resolve.

I think Winnipeg is very happy with him and he's close to his hometown so I doubt he's going to be going anywhere, anyways.

Frozenice is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 11:29 AM
  #274
Sam I Am
Registered User
 
Sam I Am's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 1,315
vCash: 500
How about this one:

Plekanec
Gill

for

Bjugstag
Petrovic
2nd round 2012

Sam I Am is offline  
Old
01-25-2012, 11:35 AM
  #275
Halifaxhab*
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Country: Canada
Posts: 9,219
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sam I Am View Post
How about this one:

Plekanec
Gill

for

Bjugstag
Petrovic
2nd round 2012
Gill? He'll be moved. But if your trading away Plekanec, you're either going to get a top 3 Big Name Centreman or go full rebuild. And if you're dealing with Florida that would mean Jonathan Huberdeau

But I would likely do this one anyway if I were looking at the long term picture

EDIT:

to all flamers

I'm not advocating any trade or Trade value, only what the targets should be.

Halifaxhab* is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:15 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.