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01-24-2012, 11:44 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn, Grabovsky, Ribeiro, etc, etc.. all traded because of "issues" when these could have been resolved by proper player management. Definitely one thing the GMs could improve on, and not use the media circus and fan frenzy as an excuse for their behaviours. Hire the right guys for the job!

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01-24-2012, 11:47 PM
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Sergei Kostitsyn, Grabovsky, Ribeiro, etc, etc.. all traded because of "issues" when these could have been resolved by proper player management. Definitely one thing the GMs could improve on, and not use the media circus and fan frenzy as an excuse for their behaviours. Hire the right guys for the job!
Wrong thread? None of these guys would qualify as ahl callups because guys on teh roster are injured.

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01-24-2012, 11:48 PM
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I checked out the 2010 draft: Only 8 players in the three first rounds are playing in the ahl. That is 8% of players of the first 90 players are playing in the ahl.

So let's not blame this year's lack of ahl depth on the fact that Gauthier traded 2010 draft picks. According to Wikipedia, the draft picks Gauthier traded for the 2010 draft were a 2nd round pick with his first to move up in the first round. The second round pikc he traded for Moore was in 2011. All other picks moved in 2010 were not moved by Gauther(at least according to wikipedia).

So again to say there is no ahl depth because of Gauthier moving picks is false, unless you want to compile a list of all the players drafted in 2011 currently playing in the ahl.
It's not just about draft picks...that's part of it. The AHL roster is depleted because the NHL club lacks depth, period. It isn't all Gauthier's fault but he should shoulder some blame.

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01-24-2012, 11:50 PM
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This team really needs to address their lack of depth. It's disgusting.
WTF are you talking about? We have probably half a dozen guys that are very near to making a jump to the NHL from our farm and our forward group is already deep. If the Habs have anything it is depth, elite talent is what is truely missing.

Sometimes I wonder how people on hockey forums can have absolutly no clue about the sport or team.

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01-24-2012, 11:51 PM
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It's not just about draft picks...that's part of it. The AHL roster is depleted because the NHL club lacks depth, period. It isn't all Gauthier's fault but he should shoulder some blame.
I don't think the ahl club is depleted because the nhl club has no depth. That makes no sense. Having a guy like Andrei playing on your third line pretty much means that you have decent depth at the forward position. The habs have plenty of depth and only went searching in the ahl for depth because Moen, Noki, White and Gionta are out with injuries. The fact that it took 4 injured players for the Canadiens to consider a call up likely means there is depth on the nhl club. Whether it's quality depth is a different story, but we do have Andrei on the 3rd line.


The ahl club is depleted because White, Pacioretty, Desharnais, Eller, Subban and Weber all graduated last year. None of these players deserve to play in the ahl.

This year is a transition year, it happens, be thankful that it's only one year. Next year hamilton will be fully replinished with Kristo, Gallagher, Tinordi, Ellis, Bennett, Holland, possibly Beaulieu. You can also perhaps even add that Palushaj and Leblanc will still be down there as well.

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01-24-2012, 11:59 PM
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It's not just about draft picks...that's part of it. The AHL roster is depleted because the NHL club lacks depth, period. It isn't all Gauthier's fault but he should shoulder some blame.
Engqvist is actually a pretty decent callup considering half the team is injured? Oh and we still have Palushaj and Leblanc that can be called up, thats more than decent.

Should we keep spare third line centers, top6 wingers and top flight defensemen in the AHL ''just in case'' or what? Most of our older prospects graduated last year and the younger ones haven't turned 20 yet so they can't play in the AHL and can't be called up. It has nothing to do with NHL depth or the quality of our prospects.

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01-25-2012, 12:36 AM
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Season saved!!

In all seriousness, he's looked good in the AHL, lets see how he does here.
i hope they keep him up and call up 4 or 5 more players from hamilton in the next while

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01-25-2012, 01:07 AM
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Him again? Haven't they learned anything from his previous call-ups? Boring and terrible player to watch...

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01-25-2012, 01:27 AM
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i hope they keep him up and call up 4 or 5 more players from hamilton in the next while
Since that implies that we will be selling at the deadline, I'd have to agree.

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01-25-2012, 01:34 AM
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Him again? Haven't they learned anything from his previous call-ups? Boring and terrible player to watch...
He seems to have taken a step forward recently at the AHL level. He's a first line AHL center, becoming a decent 4th NHL center should be that far from his grasp.

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01-25-2012, 02:16 AM
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Pretty much do-or-die time for Andreas.
If he doesnt cut it now there is a good chance he could return to Sweden next season when his contract is up.
Will definitely recieve a very solid offer from Djurgarden, his old club, who is going for a massive overhaul this summer as they are getting older and heading nowhere..

Good luck Andreas!

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01-25-2012, 03:05 AM
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WTF are you talking about? We have probably half a dozen guys that are very near to making a jump to the NHL from our farm and our forward group is already deep. If the Habs have anything it is depth, elite talent is what is truely missing.

Sometimes I wonder how people on hockey forums can have absolutly no clue about the sport or team.
can't hear you, too busy complaining

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Him again? Haven't they learned anything from his previous call-ups? Boring and terrible player to watch...
one call-up a career makes

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01-25-2012, 06:21 AM
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Leblanc should spend the rest of the season in Hamilton for his development. Time to unload the UFA's, maybe trade a vet or two and call up some borderline guys from Hamilton to see what they got.

Palushaj, Avtsin, Engqvist, Dumont, Willsie, St-Denis... Let's test those guys and see if they have what it takes.

We know that Leblanc and Gallagher will make the NHL some day.
So Leblanc is in Hamilton to help his 'development' and is playing with....?

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01-25-2012, 07:30 AM
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So Leblanc is in Hamilton to help his 'development' and is playing with....?
it is also who your playing AGAINST .

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01-25-2012, 07:31 AM
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Why no Leblanc? I don't get it.

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01-25-2012, 07:32 AM
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Pretty much do-or-die time for Andreas.
If he doesnt cut it now there is a good chance he could return to Sweden next season when his contract is up.
Will definitely recieve a very solid offer from Djurgarden, his old club, who is going for a massive overhaul this summer as they are getting older and heading nowhere..

Good luck Andreas!
no reason he shouldn't finish up this year with Habs, going to be alot of spaces open up soon in Montreal in next few weeks..

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01-25-2012, 07:39 AM
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Why no Leblanc? I don't get it.
Leblanc already proved himself to play strong and productive NHL hockey. Engvist hasn't yet.

They might also want to showcase Engvist in case they get the chance to trade him.

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01-25-2012, 07:42 AM
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it is also who your playing AGAINST .
That on top of the big minutes and the tough situations. Much more to learn in the AHL at this point. He's also in a situation where he has to carry his team to an extent, which should build his mental toughness and character.

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01-25-2012, 07:47 AM
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Why no Leblanc? I don't get it.
LeBlanc is 20, he needs #1 minutes with PP, PK and tough minutes.

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01-25-2012, 08:36 AM
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For all the draft picks given up... he also added

A former first rounder in Eller
A former 2nd rounder in Palushaj
Two former 3rd rounders in Shultz and Bournival.

But people don't talk about these when we talk bout all the draft picks traded away.

They also seem to conviently forget how Diaz and Desharnais are both important parts of the team who were undrafted and signed.

Engqvist is another undrafted player who was brought in.

But its okay... doesn't fit with the narrative that management is ruinning the future.
He unloaded a lot more future than he brought in. Just remember the picks for rental players like Wiz, Sopel, Moore, Mara, ... Getting rid of Lapierre, Latendresse for nothing really. And many other young players being shipped out.

It's not as good of a resume as you make it sound.

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For all the draft picks given up... he also added

A former first rounder in Eller
A former 2nd rounder in Palushaj
Two former 3rd rounders in Shultz and Bournival.

But people don't talk about these when we talk bout all the draft picks traded away.

They also seem to conviently forget how Diaz and Desharnais are both important parts of the team who were undrafted and signed.

Engqvist is another undrafted player who was brought in.

But its okay... doesn't fit with the narrative that management is ruinning the future.


Your Montreal Canadiens are tied for LAST place in whole eastern conf, 4 points out of 29TH PLACE in entire NHL.

Must be because of Markov,yet the Flyers got 7 GUYS out Like PRONGER, BRIERE,Claude G , Jagr ..there still there.


Management got it on the right track in Montreal,all experienced and capable successful men .
They all should be commend, and given promotions .


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01-25-2012, 08:46 AM
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Your Montreal Canadiens are tied for LAST place in whole eastern conf, management got it on the right track ,They all should be commend, and given promotions .
That would be the present the argument was for the future. If you want to bash management at least try to stay on topic.

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That would be the present the argument was for the future. If you want to bash management at least try to stay on topic.
the FUTURE doesn't look very bright I'll tell ya that.

I don't care look at Hamilton, Louie won't save the Habs future..
Just like Latendresse didn't save Montreal.There's nothing coming up that is a game
breaker.Pretty much just more of the same thing over all these losing years...



Fact is , Habs got some solid PROSPECTS coming along, but just like SK, Grabovski, Riberio,Higgins,McDonagh , you get my drift....

What good is drafting them , if you cant manage them PROPERLY.


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Him again? Haven't they learned anything from his previous call-ups? Boring and terrible player to watch...
That's what they said about Pacioretty the first time. Just saying, be a little more patient.

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