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01-25-2012, 11:09 AM
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Holloway and Moller

enjoying great seasons in Sweden.The AIK currently sit in first place in the SEL.Holloway leads the team with 33 points and is in the top 5 in the league.Oscar has 22 points and sits in the top 20.

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01-25-2012, 11:11 AM
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Where's the article?

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i like oscar and bud. THey would do so much better than penner and stoll......

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Where's the article?
under stats.swehockey.se then go elestrien the article is under vasterbottens folkbald its the news there i think

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i like oscar and bud. THey would do so much better than penner and stoll......
Moller has had various chances to impress (over a years worth of games in the NHL). He's not going to excel in a defensive system. In fact Moller and Alec Martinez have played the exact same amount of games for the Kings and AMart, the defenseman, has 8 fewer points.

Bud Holloway on the other hand... I wish he didn't sign to play in Europe. I understand it, but I wish he would have tried to make the team. He actually might be a better option on the wing although he's a right wing. No guarantee he would have been called up. Haven't been many call ups this year.

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Moller has had various chances to impress (over a years worth of games in the NHL). He's not going to excel in a defensive system. In fact Moller and Alec Martinez have played the exact same amount of games for the Kings and AMart, the defenseman, has 8 fewer points.

Bud Holloway on the other hand... I wish he didn't sign to play in Europe. I understand it, but I wish he would have tried to make the team. He actually might be a better option on the wing although he's a right wing. No guarantee he would have been called up. Haven't been many call ups this year.
I always wondered why that was the case this year. Besides VV and Lotki.

If people are playing bad, they deserve to be benched, if youre on offense and you cant produce then let the young gun try. But then again we are a D first team. So i guess Sutter is impressed with Stoll's and Penner's defensive plays?

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I always wondered why that was the case this year. Besides VV and Lotki.

If people are playing bad, they deserve to be benched, if youre on offense and you cant produce then let the young gun try. But then again we are a D first team. So i guess Sutter is impressed with Stoll's and Penner's defensive plays?
I'm anticipating something going down with Penner at the deadline... even if it's a release or a demotion. Unfortunately, there's nothing in Manchester ready to come up. Sadly, the Kings haven't and in my estimation won't ever develop a forward that will excel in this kind of system. Kopitar is an anomaly and I can only imagine what he'd be like on a run & gun team. If Moulson, Purcell & Simmonds have shown us anything, it's shown us that our talent evaluation is good, our system and its execution stifle the talent.

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I always wondered why that was the case this year. Besides VV and Lotki.

If people are playing bad, they deserve to be benched, if youre on offense and you cant produce then let the young gun try. But then again we are a D first team. So i guess Sutter is impressed with Stoll's and Penner's defensive plays?
Sadly nothing is really ready on the farm for the big time. At least on a permanent basis.

Unless you want to see Dwight King, or Cliche up full time. Granted I think they should be given chances this season...but they are certainly not ready to take on a full time role at the NHL level. They are just getting used to being big time contributors on Manchester. Once they master that they will hit the NHL level.

Look at Parse. He was pretty much a point per game player at the AHL level and his time came to move up. Cliche, King, Clune, Meckler....these guys are still trying to figure it out down there.

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Sadly nothing is really ready on the farm for the big time. At least on a permanent basis.

Unless you want to see Dwight King, or Cliche up full time. Granted I think they should be given chances this season...but they are certainly not ready to take on a full time role at the NHL level. They are just getting used to being big time contributors on Manchester. Once they master that they will hit the NHL level.

Look at Parse. He was pretty much a point per game player at the AHL level and his time came to move up. Cliche, King, Clune, Meckler....these guys are still trying to figure it out down there.
Agreed. The only forward this year I was hoping would get a recall is Nolan, and he's hurt (unless he came back recently and I'm unaware of it). CLiche, while I like him, isn't much different than what we have on the 4th line now, and that's about where Cliche's play would have him sitting.

I'd be ok with a Clune recall as well, if we need to add some grit to the lower lines, but he's a big improvement on that either at the moment and I worry he'd be Moreau 2.0

On D and in net, we are just so deep and healthy, no one will get the recall.

As for the topic of Holloway and Moller, Moller I think, as much I really like the guy and want him to succeed, won't amount to anything here. I could see him thriving on a team like Calgary though, as odd as that sounds. They seem to have a bit more success with smaller foarwards than we do and their system isn't as basic as ours is. Either way, I'd rather see us flip him for whatever little we could get and move on at this point.

Holloway, I hope him and DL bury the hatchet, if there is one, and he comes to camp. I think he'd be a nice add to the 3rd line, as he'd have more scoring touch than Lewis. He may also have the ability to step up to the 2nd line if need be, and it'd be nice to have some offfensive depth on the lower lines.

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01-25-2012, 02:18 PM
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Agreed. The only forward this year I was hoping would get a recall is Nolan, and he's hurt (unless he came back recently and I'm unaware of it). CLiche, while I like him, isn't much different than what we have on the 4th line now, and that's about where Cliche's play would have him sitting.

I'd be ok with a Clune recall as well, if we need to add some grit to the lower lines, but he's a big improvement on that either at the moment and I worry he'd be Moreau 2.0

On D and in net, we are just so deep and healthy, no one will get the recall.

As for the topic of Holloway and Moller, Moller I think, as much I really like the guy and want him to succeed, won't amount to anything here. I could see him thriving on a team like Calgary though, as odd as that sounds. They seem to have a bit more success with smaller foarwards than we do and their system isn't as basic as ours is. Either way, I'd rather see us flip him for whatever little we could get and move on at this point.

Holloway, I hope him and DL bury the hatchet, if there is one, and he comes to camp. I think he'd be a nice add to the 3rd line, as he'd have more scoring touch than Lewis. He may also have the ability to step up to the 2nd line if need be, and it'd be nice to have some offfensive depth on the lower lines.
It's going to be hard for Holloway to surpass Lewis in the eyes of the organization if Lewis continues to improve unless Holloway knocks their socks off.

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01-25-2012, 02:27 PM
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It's going to be hard for Holloway to surpass Lewis in the eyes of the organization if Lewis continues to improve unless Holloway knocks their socks off.
If it's going to be hard to beat out Lewis, we have a huge problem and Holloway isn't nearly as good of a prospect as people around here clamour to say. Lewis is Craig Johnson with less hands (unless he gets a penalty shot).

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I'm down with Holla and Molla.

Like other has said, if Oscar makes it, it will be elsewhere. If you put Oscars heart and tenacity in Penner's body, you'd have one heck of a player. He doesn't have fear, but his size still limits him. He needs to play for a quick team like Edmonton, where he would put up solid numbers.

Bud has to be kicking himself right now, he would have been a callup for sure once Gagne went down. Probably wouldn't have stuck out of camp due to Moreau/Hunter.

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Judging from his performance, responsibility and conditioning, I'd agree that Nolan would be the best bet for a call-up and really the only potentially exciting addition.

Nolan is back in the lineup in Manchester, he has played this entire month I believe. He came back after New Year's. He had missed about three weeks. He has had a pair of multi-point games in January.

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I'm down with Holla and Molla.

Like other has said, if Oscar makes it, it will be elsewhere. If you put Oscars heart and tenacity in Penner's body, you'd have one heck of a player. He doesn't have fear, but his size still limits him. He needs to play for a quick team like Edmonton, where he would put up solid numbers.

Bud has to be kicking himself right now, he would have been a callup for sure once Gagne went down. Probably wouldn't have stuck out of camp due to Moreau/Hunter.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Moller would be waiver eligible if he was here, so going to manchester really wasn't an option if LA didn't want to risk losing him. I think that's partly why LA gave their blessing to him going to the SEL.

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It's going to be hard for Holloway to surpass Lewis in the eyes of the organization if Lewis continues to improve unless Holloway knocks their socks off.
I think you missed the point the organization needs both of them.

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Holloway consistently out performed players that got call ups over him, so I completely understand why he signed in the SEL. I realize Dean wanted him to stay in North America, but I think going to Sweden is actually good for his development.

I'll be disappointed if Holloway isn't in camp next year. I think he has a legitimate shot to be a 2nd/3rd line forward in the NHL.

Dean can be a little bit hot-headed, so I hope that doesn't effect the way he handles this situation. The betterment of the organization is the most important thing; emotions shouldn't influence decision making.

As for Moller, I don't think he'll ever be a successful NHL player. He should be moved if possible IMO.

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I really wish Moller had another shot with us with this lineup on our top 6 under this coach.

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I really wish Moller had another shot with us with this lineup on our top 6 under this coach.
If we make the playoffs, I'll bet he does have that shot next year (minus us having Penner and Stoll and maybe Gagne).

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I bet Moller has more of a chance at making the team in the future compared to Holloway. Lombardi was fine with Moller going to Sweden, but not so much with Holloway.

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I think Moller would be waiver eligible if he was here, so going to manchester really wasn't an option if LA didn't want to risk losing him. I think that's partly why LA gave their blessing to him going to the SEL.
Nothing really to add other than this is correct^ Moller would have had to pass through waivers to be sent to Manchester.

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FYI for everyone: Holloway will be due to become a group VI free agent in 2013 unless he plays 80+ games next season (regular season and playoff).

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I'm down with Holla and Molla.

Like other has said, if Oscar makes it, it will be elsewhere. If you put Oscars heart and tenacity in Penner's body, you'd have one heck of a player. He doesn't have fear, but his size still limits him. He needs to play for a quick team like Edmonton, where he would put up solid numbers.

Bud has to be kicking himself right now, he would have been a callup for sure once Gagne went down. Probably wouldn't have stuck out of camp due to Moreau/Hunter.
I don't think they would have been signed if Holloway was in camp, especially Hunter.

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I don't think they would have been signed if Holloway was in camp, especially Hunter.
Yep, the way DL reacted to Holloway leaving made it seem like he had him penciled into the NHL lineup already.

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Yep, the way DL reacted to Holloway leaving made it seem like he had him penciled into the NHL lineup already.
I think he did. Holloway likely wanted it in ink (a one-way deal) and DL refused. Be interesting to see if anything changes this off-season.

When does the SEL season end? Any chance we can get him back here for the playoffs like what Chicago did with Kruger, or would Holloway have to clear waivers due to his age?

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I think he did. Holloway likely wanted it in ink (a one-way deal) and DL refused. Be interesting to see if anything changes this off-season.

When does the SEL season end? Any chance we can get him back here for the playoffs like what Chicago did with Kruger, or would Holloway have to clear waivers due to his age?
Season ends Mar 6 i think then three rounds of playoffs depending on how far you go as for the waivers i dont no not up on that kind of stuff hes a 23yr old

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