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01-24-2012, 05:58 AM
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1971 Canadiens?

How many Hall of Famers suited up for them?
Is it the most of all time?
How on earth did they finish 3rd in their division?

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How on earth did they finish 3rd in their division?
Most stacked team is not always the best.

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9 HHOFers, with tremblay and vachon as possible inductions.

frank mahovlich was added halfway through the season, and ken dryden played only 6 games. and many of those players (beliveau, richard, dryden, lapointe) were either old or young. it was beliveau's last season, and lapointe's and dryden's 1st.

jacques laperriere also missed 29 games.



'73 habs had more HHOFers, 11.

lemaire, frank mahovlich, cournoyer, lafleur, lapointe, henri richard, serge savard, laperriere, shutt, robinson, dryden.

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It was very much a transition year. Both Beliveau and Ferguson had to be talk into returning after the disappointment of the preceding year. Claude Provost retired and Bobby Rousseau had been traded to bring Claude Larose back into the fold. There were a number of rookies--Lapointe, Tardiff, Houle, Phil Roberto; and Pete Mahovlich was seeing his first significant playing time.

Serge Savard missed the first 11 games recuperating from the broken league he'd suffered the previous season, then re-broke it the last game in January and missed another 30, plus the playoffs. As mentioned, Laperriere also missed 29 games. So two big holes in the defensive corps.

Two other issues may have been more significant. The previous season Gump Worsley had been moved to Minnesota, leaving Vachon and Phil Myre to take the reigns. Without the veteran presence, neither goaltender shined. Myre's numbers in particular really jumped, and Vachon was plagued by inconsistency. Dryden solved that issue.

The other was Claude Ruel stepping down as coach after 23 games, and being replaced by Al MacNeil, his rookie assistant coach, who really didn't want the job. MacNeil was a unilingual anglophone. We can all see today how that's going for Randy Cunneyworth. Now imagine MacNeil coming into his position right after the October Crises kidnappings by the Front de Liberation du Quebec, Trudeau's implementing the War Measures Act at the request of Montreal's mayor Jean Drapeau, and the arrest without charge of over 400 quebecois. After Henri Richard called out his coach for benching him during game 5 of the finals, MacNeil received death threats and coached game 6 with bodyguards on the bench. And people today think Cunneyworth's faced a circus? After winning the Cup MacNeil stepped down, taking over the Canadiens farm club in his native Nova Scotia and the bilingual Scotty Bowman was named coach.

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It was very much a transition year.... and the bilingual Scotty Bowman was named coach.
Concise. Accurate....

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Trading for Frank Mahovlich then Dryden turned that team around.

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It isn't as if they were patsies either. The Bruins (Orr, Espo, Hodge, Bucyk, Cheevers), Rangers (Giacomin, Ratelle, Gilbert, Park) and Hawks (Hull, Mikita, Tony Esposito were the only team with more points than them. Both the Hawks and Bruins took them to 7 games. Like someone else mentioned, they were in transition in both 1971 and 1973 and still won. Beliveau in 1971 was still pretty darn good. That '71 team was filled with a veteran prescence that was peerless.

The 11 HHOFers is pretty amazing considering what we've seen post lockout (bold is most likely):

2006 Canes: Recchi, Staal, BrindAmour, Ward
2007 Ducks: Niedermayer, Selanne, Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry
2008 Red Wings: Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Chelios, Osgood (longshot)
2009 Pens: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Gonchar
2010 Hawks: Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa
2011 Bruins: Thomas, Chara, Recchi

Gives you a little more appreciation for the 1971 Habs

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The 11 HHOFers is pretty amazing considering what we've seen post lockout (bold is most likely):

2006 Canes: Recchi, Staal, BrindAmour, Ward
2007 Ducks: Niedermayer, Selanne, Pronger, Getzlaf, Perry
2008 Red Wings: Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Chelios, Osgood (longshot)
2009 Pens: Crosby, Malkin, Fleury, Gonchar
2010 Hawks: Toews, Kane, Keith, Hossa
2011 Bruins: Thomas, Chara, Recchi

Gives you a little more appreciation for the 1971 Habs
07 Ducks are legitimately one of the most talented teams of the last 30 years they stand the test of time.

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07 Ducks are legitimately one of the most talented teams of the last 30 years they stand the test of time.
Last 30 years? Really? You don't think the '01 or '96 Av's, numerous Detroit teams during the 90's and early 2000's, the early 90's Pens or the Oilers and Isles from the 80's might have something to say about the 30 years bit?

A little closer to the last 10 years me thinks.

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Last 30 years? Really? You don't think the '01 or '96 Av's, numerous Detroit teams during the 90's and early 2000's, the early 90's Pens or the Oilers and Isles from the 80's might have something to say about the 30 years bit?

A little closer to the last 10 years me thinks.

The 07 Ducks are right there with likes of the late 90s/early 2000s Detroit and Colorado teams and Gretzky's Oilers.

Selanne, Pronger, and Niedermayer are Hall of Famers
Corey Perry (Hart winner and possible HOFer)
Getzlaf (leading scorer in the playoffs and 2x all star)
Giguere (Conn Smythe winner)
Andy McDonald (second leading scorer during the regular season and all star)

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Ducks needed a few lucky bounces to beat Detroit that year. Certainly not better than than the 2008 Red Wings.

I'm not even sure how are Ducks 07 better than the Hawks 2010.

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The 07 Ducks are right there with likes of the late 90s/early 2000s Detroit and Colorado teams and Gretzky's Oilers.

Selanne, Pronger, and Niedermayer are Hall of Famers
Corey Perry (Hart winner and possible HOFer)
Getzlaf (leading scorer in the playoffs and 2x all star)
Giguere (Conn Smythe winner)
Andy McDonald (second leading scorer during the regular season and all star)
Whatever you say man. I mean forget the fact that the Oilers were so deep that they won a Cup without Gretzky to go along with the 4 they did with him.
And that is the only Oiler Cup winning team the Ducks might be in the same neighborhood with because they actually needed their goalie to step up every game to win.


And tell me, what happened in '06 and '08? I mean pretty much those very same players you mentioned are all there and the best they could do was a third round exit the year before and then getting smoked in the first round the year after.

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