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01-26-2012, 02:55 PM
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Toffoli.... Oh wait ! He wasn't good enough for Team Canada. Do not want !

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01-26-2012, 02:59 PM
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No, he wasn't drooling for Penner last year - one of many dumb rumours started by a speculating "journalist" that later becomes "fact" in the message board world.

The Habs weren't after Penner last year and certainly haven't changed their mind this year.
I trust your word over theirs too.

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01-26-2012, 03:01 PM
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Don't really see anything I'd really want from LA except the unattainable (Richards, Kopitar, Doughty etc.). Not a Penner for nor a Williams fan. Clifford would be good though. Cant see them trading him for Moen or Gill though.

Not sure what to make of this. I just hope PG doesn't do something stupid/trade for Penner.
Trading for Penner wouldn't be dumb if he comes for free.

Say that today we were to trade them AK, they would need to shed about 2-3 mil in cap hit to make it work as they only have 800k in room.

So we trade them AK and a 6th for Clifford and a 3rd. They want Blunden to offset the loss of Clifford, 3rd goes to a 2nd. They have to move Penner to clear cap room(4.25 mil), and he is playing like crap so the 2nd turns into a 1st.

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01-26-2012, 03:02 PM
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Eww I really don't want Penner... And why is everyone salivating over Clifford? You guys are weird sometimes.
Well, Bourque has looked okay thus far. If they'd be willing to sweeten the deal to make it worth taking Penner I'd consider it. He's only got one year left and if he plays well could be retained. If not then you let him go or trade him at deadline next year.

Still the cap space would be hideous and if it were AK going the other way I'd cry. If it's Moen for Penner + 1st/2nd since Penner is basically a dump and Moen could replace his current production on LA anyways... basically like another Cammy trade... I would live with it even if Penner was terrible. Moen is UFA anyways and if we get assets I'm happy.

That having been said, I'd prefer to keep Moen/AK if at all possible and extend them for 4-5 years. Travis Moen is after all only 29 years old himself. Not like he's 35.

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Toffoli.... Oh wait ! He wasn't good enough for Team Canada. Do not want !
He's a pretty good prospect, but soft. If they won't move Clifford, I may look at Voynov or Loktoionov

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01-26-2012, 03:04 PM
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He's a pretty good prospect, but soft. If they won't move Clifford, I may look at Voynov or Loktoionov
Would they even consider moving Voynov tough?

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01-26-2012, 03:16 PM
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He's a pretty good prospect, but soft. If they won't move Clifford, I may look at Voynov or Loktoionov
I knew you were Mr. Pierre Gauthier!

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Well, Bourque has looked okay thus far. If they'd be willing to sweeten the deal to make it worth taking Penner I'd consider it. He's only got one year left and if he plays well could be retained. If not then you let him go or trade him at deadline next year.

Still the cap space would be hideous and if it were AK going the other way I'd cry. If it's Moen for Penner + 1st/2nd since Penner is basically a dump and Moen could replace his current production on LA anyways... basically like another Cammy trade... I would live with it even if Penner was terrible. Moen is UFA anyways and if we get assets I'm happy.

That having been said, I'd prefer to keep Moen/AK if at all possible and extend them for 4-5 years. Travis Moen is after all only 29 years old himself. Not like he's 35.
Penner is a UFA this summer(2012). They still may want to dump him as they are up against the cap.

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01-26-2012, 03:18 PM
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Would they even consider moving Voynov tough?
He is in and out of the lineup. They won't give him away but expendable.

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01-26-2012, 03:19 PM
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I don't want Justin Williams to wear the same jersey Koivu wore. **** that guy.

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Gill and Moen for Greene?
I would be all over that one but I can't see it happening.

As for Penner, forget it. Montreal picked up their big winger in Bourque.

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01-26-2012, 03:26 PM
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Guys, guys, listen, it's pretty simple

The Kings are looking for either one of the 3 following players:

1) AK
2) Gill
3) Moen

For AK, we would get LA's 1st round pick or a prospect + mid pick

For Moen we would get a 2nd

For gill a mid pick.

So we're not getting Penner or Williams or Johnson, neither of them makes sense.

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01-26-2012, 03:26 PM
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I don't want Justin Williams to wear the same jersey Koivu wore. **** that guy.
I don't think you have anything to worry about, they aren't trading him, he's their top scoring winger.

That being said, it's not like he intentionally put Koivu out(see Chara), it was accidental.

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Guys, guys, listen, it's pretty simple

The Kings are looking for either one of the 3 following players:

1) AK
2) Gill
3) Moen

For AK, we would get LA's 1st round pick or a prospect + mid pick

For Moen we would get a 2nd

For gill a mid pick.

So we're not getting Penner or Williams or Johnson, neither of them makes sense.
Penner makes sense since they may need to dump him to clear cap room...what part of that is hard to grasp?

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Keep in mind the kings don't have this year's 2nd anymore, the Flyers have it (Richards trade). If it's a 2nd it's 2013

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I don't want Justin Williams to wear the same jersey Koivu wore. **** that guy.
I don't get the hate on Williams. I was angry at the refs at the time that there was not even a penalty, but it was an accident. He wasn't trying to poke his eye out.

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Keep in mind the kings don't have this year's 2nd anymore, the Flyers have it (Richards trade). If it's a 2nd it's 2013
We'll take their 1st and give them a 6th.

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Penner makes sense since they may need to dump him to clear cap room...what part of that is hard to grasp?
The part where we don't need a floating UFA fatass? Trading AK for a 7th makes more sense than a straight swap for Penner.

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Trading for Penner wouldn't be dumb if he comes for free.

Say that today we were to trade them AK, they would need to shed about 2-3 mil in cap hit to make it work as they only have 800k in room.

So we trade them AK and a 6th for Clifford and a 3rd. They want Blunden to offset the loss of Clifford, 3rd goes to a 2nd. They have to move Penner to clear cap room(4.25 mil), and he is playing like crap so the 2nd turns into a 1st.

AK Blunden and 6th
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Penner Clifford and 1st

**Plus LA gives us a 3rd 2012 if he re-signs there.
Of course if there's a great package and he is a salary dump that would work out fine. Just don't like the idea of replacing AK with Penner and inevitably being left with neither after this year.

I'd rather just sign AK on a discount and trade Moen + for Clifford and 2nd. Don't really see that happening though. Clifford seems like he is going to be better than Moen pretty soon. Your proposal probably makes more sense. I guess I'm just on the keep AK wagon.

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The part where we don't need a floating UFA fatass? Trading AK for a 7th makes more sense than a straight swap for Penner.
It WOULDN'T be a straightforward swap. Why would we trade them 1 for 1?

They pay US for AK PLUS they pay for dumping Penner's cap hit.

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It WOULDN'T be a straightforward swap. Why would we trade them 1 for 1?

They pay US for AK PLUS they pay for dumping Penner's cap hit.
Exactly,

I actually can't believe think ppl we would trade an asset for Penner. No way in hell the Kings resign him. EVEN if PG wanted him, and I highly, highly doubt it, he can simply wait until July 1st. The only way Penner is coming to MTL is incase where like "Carey Price" suggested

"Trading for Penner wouldn't be dumb if he comes for free.

Say that today we were to trade them AK, they would need to shed about 2-3 mil in cap hit to make it work as they only have 800k in room.

So we trade them AK and a 6th for Clifford and a 3rd. They want Blunden to offset the loss of Clifford, 3rd goes to a 2nd. They have to move Penner to clear cap room(4.25 mil), and he is playing like crap so the 2nd turns into a 1st.

AK Blunden and 6th
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**Plus LA gives us a 3rd 2012 if he re-signs there."

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Exactly,

I actually can't believe think ppl we would trade an asset for Penner. No way in hell the Kings resign him. EVEN if PG wanted him, and I highly, highly doubt it, he can simply wait until July 1st. The only way Penner is coming to MTL is incase where like "Carey Price" suggested

"Trading for Penner wouldn't be dumb if he comes for free.

Say that today we were to trade them AK, they would need to shed about 2-3 mil in cap hit to make it work as they only have 800k in room.

So we trade them AK and a 6th for Clifford and a 3rd. They want Blunden to offset the loss of Clifford, 3rd goes to a 2nd. They have to move Penner to clear cap room(4.25 mil), and he is playing like crap so the 2nd turns into a 1st.

AK Blunden and 6th
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Penner Clifford and 1st

**Plus LA gives us a 3rd 2012 if he re-signs there."
Am I missing something here? Wouldn't Kings fans laugh their ass off at this proposal?

Cliff > Blunden
AK > Penner.
1st>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6th

And I am pretty sure Clifford isn't going anywhere.

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Am I missing something here? Wouldn't Kings fans laugh their ass off at this proposal?

Cliff > Blunden
AK > Penner.
1st>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6th

And I am pretty sure Clifford isn't going anywhere.
I don't think they would actually take that offer, specially since they don't have a 2nd round pick, and if they trade a 1st, they won't be picking unitl the 3rd round.

But I think the general frame work is what I was trying to point out. If Penner becomes a Hab it would be a deal like that. Not simply trading A.Kost for Penner, just typing that out made me shake my head.

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Am I missing something here? Wouldn't Kings fans laugh their ass off at this proposal?

Cliff > Blunden
AK > Penner.
1st>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>6th

And I am pretty sure Clifford isn't going anywhere.

Kings have no interest in Andrei Kostitsyn/Hal Gill and will keep Penner for the rest of the year.
I guess we only have some interest in Moen (without massive overpayment).

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