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01-26-2012, 06:03 PM
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Hal Gill

For the life of me I just can't imagine even considering trading that guy. He's like a fine wine, in which he keeps getting better. He is one player that we cannot replace. He's a major reason why our PK is #1 in the NHL. Him not being signed blows my mind.....Getting rid of him will be another bone head mistake that our beloved GM will surely make. I realize we have to groom the young kids but we still need a vet like him. Hal Gill on a 5 on 3 penalty kill is irreplacable.

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His 5 on 5 play is just awful.

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01-26-2012, 06:09 PM
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His 5 on 5 play is just awful.
I do not agree...i think he's been very steady....Are you sure your not thinking of Subban ?

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I do not agree...i think he's been very steady....Are you sure your not thinking of Subban ?
He's been great this year, what are you talking about?

His o-game and point play have been bad but he's playing and crunching huge minutes a night on a losing team - he's doing a great job.

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I do not agree...i think he's been very steady....Are you sure your not thinking of Subban ?
Nope hal gill. and if Gill was such a great mentor for Subban why has he been through so much controversy on the ice and off the ice?

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I think his play has slipped a little bit this year. He's been a serviceable player but I think it will be time to part ways. I'd like the habs to re-build their defense a little bit and there aren't alot of options or room on the D-core to do so even if you take gill, campoli, Diaz, and weber out of the equation. Just for the record, I'm undecided on whether to bring diaz back but I would not lose sleep over losing the others listed.

Gill is another example of a player who will be much more suitable for a team taking a run. Get what you can for this asset and wish Gill the best of luck.

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01-26-2012, 06:20 PM
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Nope hal gill. and if Gill was such a great mentor for Subban why has he been through so much controversy on the ice and off the ice?
This is a support thread for Gill.....Is he supposed to make passes for Subban ? Is he supposed to help Subban not be such a coward and go into the corners for him ? Maybe MAKE subban stop taking dumb penalties ? How can Gill control his actions ? He has and still is a great mentor.

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I think his play has slipped a little bit this year. He's been a serviceable player but I think it will be time to part ways. I'd like the habs to re-build their defense a little bit and there aren't alot of options or room on the D-core to do so even if you take gill, campoli, Diaz, and weber out of the equation. Just for the record, I'm undecided on whether to bring diaz back but I would not lose sleep over losing the others listed.

Gill is another example of a player who will be much more suitable for a team taking a run. Get what you can for this asset and wish Gill the best of luck.
This would be a dumb as getting rid of Domonic Moore.....Irreplaceable chemistry within the Habs organization.

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Well hopefully other teams feel the same way and we can steal a 2nd rounder and prospect for him at the deadline.

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This would be a dumb as getting rid of Domonic Moore.....Irreplaceable chemistry within the Habs organization.
Its hardly dumb. This is how the rental system works. You take an aging player who is not part of the future, and flip him for a potential asset. Montreal gets a potential building block, and the contender gets to fill a hole that they need filled right now.

Now if Gill still had a few more years left in him, then the mentality would be a little different..

You talk about dom moore, but lets remember that he's wasn't 37 years old then and he;s not 37 years old now, so its not a good comparison.

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This is a support thread for Gill.....Is he supposed to make passes for Subban ? Is he supposed to help Subban not be such a coward and go into the corners for him ? Maybe MAKE subban stop taking dumb penalties ? How can Gill control his actions ? He has and still is a great mentor.
Subban doesn't go into corners

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This would be a dumb as getting rid of Domonic Moore.....Irreplaceable chemistry within the Habs organization.
Hal gill is most definitely retiring after this season, so trading him for a 2nd/ late 1st is the best option.

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01-26-2012, 06:36 PM
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For the life of me I just can't imagine even considering trading that guy. He's like a fine wine, in which he keeps getting better. He is one player that we cannot replace. He's a major reason why our PK is #1 in the NHL. Him not being signed blows my mind.....Getting rid of him will be another bone head mistake that our beloved GM will surely make. I realize we have to groom the young kids but we still need a vet like him. Hal Gill on a 5 on 3 penalty kill is irreplacable.
How many 5 on 3 situations come up? And are you saying that Gill can kill them all? Let's say he successfully kills 5 of them. Does that make up for the penalties he takes or the goals against on ES that are scored when he's on the ice? You seem tobe overvaluing him by an order of magnitude.

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Subban doesn't go into corners



Hal gill is most definitely retiring after this season, so trading him for a 2nd/ late 1st is the best option.
I think you'll be upset if you expect that kind of return for gill. 3rd rounder at best... or a mid tier prospect from a team deep in prospect depth is a bit more realistic....he is a rental, after all

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01-26-2012, 06:41 PM
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I think his play has slipped a little bit this year. He's been a serviceable player but I think it will be time to part ways. I'd like the habs to re-build their defense a little bit and there aren't alot of options or room on the D-core to do so even if you take gill, campoli, Diaz, and weber out of the equation. Just for the record, I'm undecided on whether to bring diaz back but I would not lose sleep over losing the others listed.

Gill is another example of a player who will be much more suitable for a team taking a run. Get what you can for this asset and wish Gill the best of luck.
Diaz is the only one of those I'd bring back next season.

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This would be a dumb as getting rid of Domonic Moore.....Irreplaceable chemistry within the Habs organization.
Do you really want to hold on to Gill if you're rebuilding for the future?

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I think you'll be upset if you expect that kind of return for gill. 3rd rounder at best... or a mid tier prospect from a team deep in prospect depth is a bit more realistic....he is a rental, after all
I expect a mid/late 2nd round pick. 1st round pick is me dreaming.

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01-26-2012, 06:45 PM
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I think it would be wise to field offers for him, and at least see what's being offered. If someone makes a strong offer I wouldn't be upset with Gauthier for making the move. Obviously a "strong offer" is subjective, but I'm just saying that for a decent return I wouldn't be against dealing Gill. However I could see him being a good fit as a #6 dman, with leadership abilities. Right now I guess you could call him a #6, but the guys in the #3/4/5 spots are very interchangeable.

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For the life of me I just can't imagine even considering trading that guy. He's like a fine wine, in which he keeps getting better. He is one player that we cannot replace. He's a major reason why our PK is #1 in the NHL. Him not being signed blows my mind.....Getting rid of him will be another bone head mistake that our beloved GM will surely make. I realize we have to groom the young kids but we still need a vet like him. Hal Gill on a 5 on 3 penalty kill is irreplacable.
We would miss him on PK but we need to move on as he is painful to watch 5 on 5.

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kindda hard to think about gill leaving, whatever he is or isn't on the ice, he is a good guy, a good team player and great on the pk.
I understand you get what you can for the older vets, i'm sure gill knows how it works and i don't think he would leave with hard feelings.
When he feels his playing day is done, i think he should be offered some kind of job with the habs, i think he has a lot to offer and he likes it here.
He's a muller kind of guy, good for the team and they can get the best out of players.

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Gill is finished

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It will be a trade deadline decision. If we're still in playoffs contention then keep him, if we're not then it'd be stupid i we don't trade him.

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Gill is awful.

I wish Gauthier will find a more aggressive (Gill = soft), experienced, stay at home D... who can skate (something similar to: Andy Sutton + high pick for Diaz and low pick) to replace him ASAP.

In fact, I think it is our #1 priority: Gauthier did not build a solid D squad... and it will probably be his downfall.



PS Gill is awful

PPS he is a good #7D


Edit: when Gill is on the ice, the action stays in our end (it's been true in 2011-12 and in 2010-11 btw) + zero skill when it comes to feeding the rush/outlet pass.


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We would miss him on PK but we need to move on as he is painful to watch 5 on 5.
I'd argue he isn't even all that essential on the penalty kill for the most part. Most teams he would be but both Gorges and Subban have developed into very good penalty killers themselves. He helps there a lot but losing him isn't that huge of a blow if you can find 2 decent penalty killers among your other defenders. If Markov comes back you'd probably have that between him, Emelin and Diaz.

Its having Plekanec, Gorges and Subban that will keep Montreal's PK strong going forward.

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At this point, he's a 7th on a contender, and we want to be contender, right? He's a very very good PK specialist but it's hard for pure specialist to keep their job and at his age, he's certainly a few months away from retirement.

Plus, he has very very good market value. Plenty of contenders would be trilled to stack up their depth with a vet like him for a cup run; his asset is rare and valuable. If we assume we're not making the playoffs anyway, it makes a lot of sense to shop him.

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For the life of me I just can't imagine even considering trading that guy. He's like a fine wine, in which he keeps getting better. He is one player that we cannot replace. He's a major reason why our PK is #1 in the NHL. Him not being signed blows my mind.....Getting rid of him will be another bone head mistake that our beloved GM will surely make. I realize we have to groom the young kids but we still need a vet like him. Hal Gill on a 5 on 3 penalty kill is irreplacable.
Not sure if serious............

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