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Patrice Brisebois: Corey Perry to be traded to Vancouver Part 2

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01-27-2012, 07:43 PM
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You mean the worst trade of the decade and a pure salary dump? Yeah, let's use those two trades as the baseline. Genius.
Ok, then use these ones as your baseline champ:

Kovalchuk
Luongo
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This makes no sense to me, why do the Ducks need another tender. Does it even make Cap sense for Van?

I can only see Columbus, Tampa, New Jersey needing a young tender like Schneider unless someone wants to shake things up.

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This makes no sense to me, why do the Ducks need another tender. Does it even make Cap sense for Van?
Cap works even if we want to re-sign Perry in 2 years.

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Realisticaly, thats not what it's going to take to get Perry or someone of that calibre. Look at what Joe Thornton and Brad Richards fetched.
So Perry's value and situation is comparable to Thornton's and Richards??

God...

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Ok, then use these ones as your baseline champ:

Kovalchuk
Luongo
M.Richards
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Phaneuf
Why wouldn't we use Visnovsky or Pronger? Those seem the most pertinent, seeing as Murray is the one that made those trades.

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Got Luongo for less than this and he could be considered to be very close in value to Perry after his Hart season.

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Ok, then use these ones as your baseline champ:

Kovalchuk
Luongo
M.Richards
Carter
Phaneuf
None of these are remotely the same as a hypothetical trade for Perry. Not one. In fact, I challenge you to find any similarities from even one of those players to Perry.

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Well played, had a good laugh out loud.

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How can this rumour get 1000+ posts? It should be obvious that Ducks would never trade Perry for that kind of return or Murray would be fired.

The supposed return doesn't fit any need for Ducks. They, a budget team, would even be taking on salary while getting worse in the process.

Also, and this is entertaining, HF mods go around closing threads where *********** is the source on the basis that he isn't a credible source. At least he has gotten a few things right in the past (and the vast majority wrong). What has Ciccone and Brisebois gotten right when it comes to NHL trades? Why are they considered good sources?

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Cap works even if we want to re-sign Perry in 2 years.
Still, they have plenty of scoring.... In order for Vancouver to win the cup they need to obtain another quality Defenceman.

That D core is not going to win the cup for them.

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So Perry's value and situation is comparable to Thornton's and Richards??

God...
Thornton was worth a lot more than Perry.

Thornton won the Hart & Art Ross in the season in which he was traded. Perry is currently tearing the league apart on pace for a whopping 66 POINTS!

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Thornton was worth a lot more than Perry.

Thornton won the Hart & Art Ross in the season in which he was traded. Perry is currently tearing the league apart on pace for a whopping 66 POINTS!
And that was an awful, awful trade that got the man who made it fired. Sure, let's follow those footsteps!

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Still, they have plenty of scoring.... In order for Vancouver to win the cup they need to obtain another quality Defenceman.

That D core is not going to win the cup for them.
The whole 'defense wins cups' is a myth when it refers to ACTUAL defensemen.


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The whole 'defense wins cups' is a myth when it refers to ACTUAL defensemen.



A picture of the 2009 Pittsburgh Penhuins could be posted as well.

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This makes no sense to me, why do the Ducks need another tender. Does it even make Cap sense for Van?

I can only see Columbus, Tampa, New Jersey needing a young tender like Schneider unless someone wants to shake things up.
Dollarwise, the Canucks can swing it. Ballard and Raymond together more than offset Perry's cap hit.

I can see it not making cap sense from a 'balance' point of view in that the Canucks would have four forwards making over $5M while simultaneously weakening the back end, thinner in net and defence. It would be interesting to try to win with sheer firepower but "defence wins championships" is not said for nothing.

I suppose it might make sense if someone was getting flipped over to Nashville for one of their big-gun d-men...

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None of these are remotely the same as a hypothetical trade for Perry. Not one. In fact, I challenge you to find any similarities from even one of those players to Perry.
Any similarities? Well, Richards and Luongo both won the Olympic Gold with Perry, that's something they have in common.

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And that was an awful, awful trade that got the man who made it fired. Sure, let's follow those footsteps!
No one is saying you should, just simply that there have been at least a dozen superstars traded in the past 5 years for underwhelming packages.

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A picture of the 2009 Pittsburgh Penhuins could be posted as well.
And then multiple pictures of Nik Lidstrom?

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So Perry's value and situation is comparable to Thornton's and Richards??

God...
It's not perfectly comparable, but when's the last time a star player was actually traded for the type of king's ransom that people on here are suggesting Corey Perry should command? The Lindros trade?

If the Ducks are actually expecting that type of return, then he's gonna be in Anaheim for a long, long time. Sure, he's obviously a great player, but you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a GM in this league willing to blow up half his team for Corey Perry. If he's dealt at all, it's not going to be for nearly as much as people think.

....personally I doubt he's going anywhere

EDIT: this all kinda reminds me of that thread a few weeks ago where some people were saying that if the Leafs want to trade for Getzlaf, then Kadri, Schenn, Grabovski, Kulemin and a 1st would be a good "starting point".

Debate the value all you want, but the fact is that there's not a snowball's chance in hell that Burke pulls the trigger on a trade like that. You don't fill one hole in your roster by shipping out all your valuable assets in one package, leaving a slew of other holes in that are now next to impossible to fill, save for free agency.... where you inevitably end up having to pay certain players almost twice as much as they're worth.

Trades aren't just about matching a player's NHL 12 value bar.


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For all the people saying the Ducks take on salary, you realize they would be getting 3 players for 1 right? So it would be Perry + 1 goalie's cap hit + 1 defenseman's cap hit...more like 5.325M + 750K (Brookbank) + 1.5M (Ellis).

That would make it 7.575M outgoing vs 7.65M incoming. Not that big of a difference really. Of course Raymond and Schneider are RFAs and Ballard's got a long term deal, so one could argue against the financial certainty there.

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It's not perfectly comparable, but when's the last time a star player was actually traded for the type of king's ransom that people on here are suggesting Corey Perry should command? The Lindros trade?

If the Ducks are actually expecting that type of return, then he's gonna be in Anaheim for a long, long time. Sure, he's obviously a great player, but you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find a GM in this league willing to blow up half his team for Corey Perry. If he's dealt at all, it's not going to be for nearly as much as people think.

....personally I doubt he's going anywhere.
The reason we don't see that is because when a team has no reason to trade a superstar...it doesn't.

There is no reason to trade Perry. To get him it would take more than it is worth. This is why we won't see a trade involving him.

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Vancouvers own media, (botchford) scoffed at this.

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Still, they have plenty of scoring.... In order for Vancouver to win the cup they need to obtain another quality Defenceman.

That D core is not going to win the cup for them.
You mean nearly the same D-Core that allowed the fewest goals last year? The Canucks D is just fine, a 4-5 defenceman wouldn't hurt but nothing major needs to be done.

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A picture of the 2009 Pittsburgh Penhuins could be posted as well.
Sure there are exceptions to that rule. Its not a solid fact that D will win you cups, BUT if you look back as far as even 1995, I think you'll see that a solid core of D has won the cup more often that not. Good vs Great goaltending also makes a big difference as we saw in last years final.

There is no perfect formula for winning a cup, some is controllable, sometimes its random luck, but if we are going to judge what is going to benefit Vancouver more, IMO a great Defenceman would make them an instant favorite. A quality forward might not.

IMO, Suter would help a TON more than Perry would.


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