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01-28-2012, 11:18 AM
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The Andrei Markov Thread

I know there's often talk about him in the injury thread, but I think his situation deserves some more attention on its own.

It's been weeks and there has been no news about him whatsoever. Goat said he was supposed to be back "after the all-star game"...which is this Sunday. Was that PR talk for "at any point after the all-star game"? It's starting to sound like it, sadly.

There's a situation nobody seems to want to talk about: what if Markov's continual setbacks are a result of his body's incapacity to fully heal? What if he's damaged goods, and will remain damaged goods? Will the Habs be able to do anything with his contract, like Chris Drury, if he's physically not able to fulfill it?

Now that's obviously the worst-case scenario, but it's a scenario nonetheless. For a guy who blew out his knee last November, the fact he hasn't returned yet is extremely worrisome (/captainobvious).

Second question:

If all the stars align and Markov returns, how do you see him fitting into the lineup as it currently stands?

I know people keep saying they want to see Kaberle and Markov on the PP, but there's an issue there: they're not shooters. Maybe Markov's return is the white horse that saves our PP, but he'll probably wind up playing with either Subban or Diaz (please no Weber).

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01-28-2012, 11:22 AM
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My thought is that Weber leads all defensemen with 4 PP goals, so why no Weber?

Markov and Kaberle are both excellent puck movers, they'll figure out what to do if they're on the PP together.

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01-28-2012, 11:23 AM
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My thought is that Weber leads all defensemen with 4 PP goals, so why no Weber?

Markov and Kaberle are both excellent puck movers, they'll figure out what to do if they're on the PP together.
Weber was good for a dozen games earlier in the year. Have you seen his recent play on the PP? Awful.

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01-28-2012, 11:25 AM
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My thought is that Weber leads all defensemen with 4 PP goals, so why no Weber?

Markov and Kaberle are both excellent puck movers, they'll figure out what to do if they're on the PP together.
Maybe because he's absolutely awful, is never able to make a move to create space for him, shoots on guy's shins all the time, handles the puck like a bomb, is a terrible passer, is not able to keep the play in the zone and last but not least sucks when he's pressured leading to 2 on 1's the other way?

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01-28-2012, 11:28 AM
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who is Markov?

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01-28-2012, 11:29 AM
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I think we're all wondering the same thing. The lack of updates suggests this problem is indefinite. It's been over a year since his last game, and about two years since he's been "healthy". Players don't normally come back from that number of setbacks. Best case scenario for everyone is that he retires.

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01-28-2012, 11:32 AM
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If he is damaged goods, either he'll retire, or the habs will keep him on the IR, either way, there won't be any impact to the Habs cap situation. If he gets cleared to play but is unable to do so at a high enough level, the team could send him to the minors, so still no cap issue.

The biggest risk is if he comes back, but he's only able to play at a #5/#6 level; the Habs will definitely have issues then. They could send him down, but it's not a classy move at all.

As for the pairings (if Markov is good enough), I think a Markov-Subban duo is likely.

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01-28-2012, 11:33 AM
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Honestly, I hope he'll come back in the last 3 weeks of the season. Just to show us he's healthy and still elite, but not too soon so has to decrease the team's chance at obtaining a lotery pick... because when this guy is on, this team wins, plain and simple.

He'll improve the defence, the PP, the 5 on 5 play, everything. Less pressure on PK and Gorges, mentoring Emelin and simply just improving this team. Think the impact of Pronger in Philly...

If he's not ready to come back, I got absolutely no idea what the team will do... maybe Rathje'd is ass on the LTIR, I don't know. But they'll need his cap hit for something else.

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Weber was good for a dozen games earlier in the year. Have you seen his recent play on the PP? Awful.
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Maybe because he's absolutely awful, is never able to make a move to create space for him, shoots on guy's shins all the time, handles the puck like a bomb, is a terrible passer, is not able to keep the play in the zone and last but not least sucks when he's pressured leading to 2 on 1's the other way?
Quick, a young player has had some bad shifts / periods / games, let's chase the guy out of town! Now! Fact remains, 4 PP goals. If he was so much worse than other options like Diaz and Subban, then why does he have more goals and PP points than both of them?

Montreal is going nowhere this year, isn't this the time to let young players play and make mistakes and learn and grow and develop?

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01-28-2012, 11:34 AM
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Quick, a young player has had some bad shifts / periods / games, let's chase the guy out of town!
Nice job putting words in my mouth.

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Quick, a young player has had some bad shifts / periods / games, let's chase the guy out of town! Now! Fact remains, 4 PP goals. If he was so much worse than other options like Diaz and Subban, then why does he have more goals and PP points than both of them?

Montreal is going nowhere this year, isn't this the time to let young players play and make mistakes and learn and grow and develop?
It's not just about secondary assists he got lucky on, its about watching him play. Weber trembles at his own shadow, subban and diaz are clearly better, please dont compare weber to subban especially.

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It's not just about secondary assists he got lucky on, its about watching him play. Weber trembles at his own shadow, subban and diaz are clearly better, please dont compare weber to subban especially.
I agree Subban and Diaz are better, but don't confuse lack of confidence to being scared... O'Byrne was even worst when he was here. When you're in and out of the lineup playing on the 4th line, it's hard to have any real rythme : ask Streit.

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Wrong thread, but the Weber hate has to stop. Some of you won't be happy until he's chased out of town for a 4th round pick then turns into dynamtie for some other team, then we'll all be happy complaining about the idiot GM that traded away yet another young guy for nothing. He's young, a lot younger than Diaz actually, has a great shot, and despite his apparent suckiness, has been our most productive PP defenseman this year and is a whoping -1. I don't get the need to hate on this guy at all. Anyway.

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I think we're all wondering the same thing. The lack of updates suggests this problem is indefinite. It's been over a year since his last game, and about two years since he's been "healthy". Players don't normally come back from that number of setbacks. Best case scenario for everyone is that he retires.
Actually no, the best case scenario is that Markov comes back in the next few weeks and plays like Markov for the rest of his contract and beyond.

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I agree Subban and Diaz are better, but don't confuse lack of confidence to being scared... O'Byrne was even worst when he was here. When you're in and out of the lineup playing on the 4th line, it's hard to have any real rythme : ask Streit.
Streit had 65 points his last year here, and the man had good vision and puck handling, weber doesn't have potential in either aspect.

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Wrong thread, but the Weber hate has to stop. Some of you won't be happy until he's chased out of town for a 4th round pick
Holy ****ing ****. I just said he shouldn't be on the PP, that means running him out of town?

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Wrong thread, but the Weber hate has to stop. Some of you won't be happy until he's chased out of town for a 4th round pick then turns into dynamtie for some other team, then we'll all be happy complaining about the idiot GM that traded away yet another young guy for nothing. He's young, a lot younger than Diaz actually, has a great shot, and despite his apparent suckiness, has been our most productive PP defenseman this year and is a whoping -1. I don't get the need to hate on this guy at all. Anyway.
Weber is not a very good player at the moment.

He's a decent PP specialist, but he's been fumbling the puck too much this season.

I just don't see the point of having him do more than #7 duties for now.

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If - and this is a big, brother pucking IF - he starts to play sometime between now and the end of the regular season, I see very little ice time and extremely limited responsibilities. You can say he hasn't played for almost 3 years. It's going to take time to ease him into regular season play.

Let's say he comes back second week in February - I hear laughing in the peanut gallery - I could see him getting maybe 8-10 minutes a game and maybe missing a game every 2-3 games. That would give him a month and a half to get his form back before the playoffs. (I hear more laughing.)


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Streit had 65 points his last year here, and the man had good vision and puck handling, weber doesn't have potential in either aspect.
Streit was also older... and was playing on the best PP in the NHL.

Weber is actually quite good on the PP, I would even say better than PK. But, you're missing the entire point of my post...

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Obligatory thread redirection:

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...d.php?t=435638

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Streit was also older... and was playing on the best PP in the NHL.

Weber is actually quite good on the PP, I would even say better than PK. But, you're missing the entire point of my post...
Hahaha dude, PK has had his faults but he is much better then Weber, when the play gets serious, PK is terrific at putting his knee down and holding the puck in the zone whereas teams get it out so easily when its on weber's hands, PK is also a much better passer then weber, its not even close. Subban is not afraid of his own shadow, fumbling the puck every two seconds. These comments show how people are really too dependent on statistics.

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Thread says Markov, but seems to be high-jacked by Weber.

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Sorry I can't join on your *****ing discussion, but I wanted to talk about Markov. Ye know, the guy who's name is in the thread's title?


I have no difficulty believing that if Markov comes back, he'll be an incredible boon to our overall defense. I was solid on his return in the 1st half of the year, I am not so now.

Time will tell, obviously. He was a game changer by himself, and we would be a very solid team with him, PK and Kaberle on board for puck-moving. If we eventually start trusting Emelin on the PP-shooter, to have a powerful 1-2 PP punch with Markov - Emelin and PK - Kaberle, that'd be awesome.

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