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01-28-2012, 12:23 AM
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Agreed!

Offer Moen 2-3 years deal at 1.5-2M......ppl on hf are
They only fighter and the only one who stand up for teammates is garbage?????

Whatever........
I don't think anybody's calling him garbage except that one guy. Most people recognize that he's a valuable player, but easily replaceable and can bring back a decent asset (~2nd rounder) in a year when we should be selling.

I've got nothing against Moen but trading him should be a no-brainer. He's exactly the type of player GMs come calling for at this time of year.

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01-28-2012, 12:31 AM
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I don't think anybody's calling him garbage except that one guy. Most people recognize that he's a valuable player, but easily replaceable and can bring back a decent asset (~2nd rounder) in a year when we should be selling.

I've got nothing against Moen but trading him should be a no-brainer. He's exactly the type of player GMs come calling for at this time of year.
I think we agree that he isn't untouchable. But Moen is more than the sum of his parts, and his trade value must reflect this.

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01-28-2012, 01:29 AM
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Hehe I only wrote 50 words and clearly said 'lead by example'.
Wasn't aimed at you, otherwise i would've quoted you.

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01-28-2012, 02:28 AM
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Adam Jensen? Are augmentations allowed in the NHL?
I play games. I laughed!

But he means Nicklas Jensen, Nucks first round pick last year. Vigneault loved him at camp and Gillis signed him right away. Looks like he has all the tools to develop into a really good power forward one day. Moen isn't going to cut it.

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01-28-2012, 01:08 PM
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Dominic Moore, Eric Belanger and Chris Kelly beg to differ.
There's a considerable difference between those players, and Travis Moen. Moen isn't a key piece to the future of the Habs. I'd be happy w/ a 3rd rnd pick, if whoever is handling the tear down can get that for him.

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01-28-2012, 01:10 PM
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Why even move Moen? He is exactly the type of player we need on our bottom 2 lines. Big, works hards, finishes his check and has a little offensive upside.

Unless you can replace that from within, trading him for a 2nd/3rd is not goin to help us for the next 4-5 seasons. I fully believe this team can be competitive in 1-2 years with proper asset management and a few key moves. Moen can be a part of this.

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01-28-2012, 01:28 PM
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I don't think anybody's calling him garbage except that one guy. Most people recognize that he's a valuable player, but easily replaceable and can bring back a decent asset (~2nd rounder) in a year when we should be selling.

I've got nothing against Moen but trading him should be a no-brainer. He's exactly the type of player GMs come calling for at this time of year.
Oh, tell me who can replace Travis Moen?

A middleweight fighter that also plays good hockey on bottom lines?

Arron Asham?
Brandon Prust?

Those guys have a great value. When you have a guy that fights decently and that plays decently, that means it's a valuable player.

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01-28-2012, 01:41 PM
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Why even move Moen? He is exactly the type of player we need on our bottom 2 lines. Big, works hards, finishes his check and has a little offensive upside.

Unless you can replace that from within, trading him for a 2nd/3rd is not goin to help us for the next 4-5 seasons. I fully believe this team can be competitive in 1-2 years with proper asset management and a few key moves. Moen can be a part of this.
I would keep him unless the Habs receive an incredibly great ridiculous offer or a younger, almost similar player like Bickell.

Let's just imagine:

Moen + Gill for Bickell and a 4th 0r 5th round pick.

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Oh, tell me who can replace Travis Moen?

A middleweight fighter that also plays good hockey on bottom lines?

Arron Asham?
Brandon Prust?

Those guys have a great value. When you have a guy that fights decently and that plays decently, that means it's a valuable player.
You mean the same types of players that are available every year in free agency?

I guess this is how starved we are for physicality when a guy like Travis Moen suddenly becomes untouchable.

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01-28-2012, 02:11 PM
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Why do people assume that Moen is a leader ? Since when does being a vet automatically make you a leader in the room ? Wiz was Moen's roomie last year and he said that Moen was the quiet type, he never really talks.
Koivu was pretty quiet too, Steve Yzerman, both were great leaders.

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I would keep him unless the Habs receive an incredibly great ridiculous offer or a younger, almost similar player like Bickell.

Let's just imagine:

Moen + Gill for Bickell and a 4th 0r 5th round pick.
Why Bickell? He is 25 and a fringe NHLer. We have tons of big wingers, go for skill or get a high pick. We need skill up front more than size.

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01-28-2012, 02:17 PM
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Why Bickell? He is 25 and a fringe NHLer. We have tons of big wingers, go for skill or get a high pick. We need skill up front more than size.
We already have the skill, enough to win more games.

We need more size on the two bottom lines. Don't expect to receive a skilled player for Moen .

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You mean the same types of players that are available every year in free agency?

I guess this is how starved we are for physicality when a guy like Travis Moen suddenly becomes untouchable.
Those players will not sign for a team where they will be the toughest fighters and the enforcers by forfeit, when they're not real enforcers.

You need a Mike Rupp to convince Brandon Prust to sign a contract.
You need a Steve MacIntyre or a Deryk Engelland to convince Arron Asham to sign a contract.
You need a Georges Laraque to convince Travis Moen to sign a contract.
You need a Chris Neil or a Matt Carkner to convince Zenon Konopka to sign a contract.
You need a Colton Orr or a Jay Rosehill to convince Mike Brown to sign a contract.

And out of those guys (Moen, Prust, etc), you don't have a lot of legit fighters that are legit players at the same time.

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01-28-2012, 02:32 PM
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We already have the skill, enough to win more games.

We need more size on the two bottom lines. Don't expect to receive a skilled player for Moen .
Absolutely agree, this team has talent and the future can be bright within the next couple of years. The defence has the biggest issue right now because we are missing Markov and another big, tough,defensive, physical D-man. Bottom 6 could use another big, physical guy ( thanks for the honest effort, but bye Darche ) or 2 ( replacement for Noki, but Noki does win almost 55% of his draws so Id keep him because of that and because hes cheap, unless you can get a big, physical defensive centre who does well on draws).

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01-28-2012, 02:34 PM
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I agree Moen is replaceable or even resign-able. I'd trade him for a dark horse grinder type prospect that hopefully the Habs scouting dept has a good list of. Otherwise a 4th rounder doesn't interest me, I'd rather keep him & try to re-ink.

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if you have a great offer for Moen you trade him .Fighting for a playoff spot or not.

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if you have a great offer for Moen you trade him .Fighting for a playoff spot or not.
NO. Unless the team is far away at trade deadline, you keep him.


I am still missing Kostopoulos and Bégin.

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if you have a great offer for Moen you trade him .Fighting for a playoff spot or not.
A great offer for Moen includes another fighter.

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01-28-2012, 02:40 PM
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You see this happen all the time. Teams want to model their franchise after the latest stanley cup winner. When the broadstreet bullies were creating chaos and intimidating opponents, it took the flying frenchman to oust them and put the emphasis back on speed and skill. This lead to two other immediate dynasties in the islanders and oilers who were also known for their skill.

If Boston doesnt win the cup this year and a team like detroit does, you'll see the emphasis change to speed and skill again. Anyways, Montreal seems to be making a shift to speed and size. Perhaps skill has been sacrificed a bit but I think this transition will help them in board battles, and thus, puck possession.

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Moen has been a deception for most of his career in Montreal, I don't even know how most of you would extend him for more than one-year.

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Personally, I'd rather we re-sign Moen. I wouldn't mind trading Gill though, who also makes a huge impact in the playoffs.

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Moen has been a deception for most of his career in Montreal, I don't even know how most of you would extend him for more than one-year.
A deception? You probably thought he was a heavyweight fighter and an elite powerforward that puts up 30 goals and 65 points????

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Keep everyone above 6"

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Moen has been a deception for most of his career in Montreal, I don't even know how most of you would extend him for more than one-year.
He's good at what he does & one of the few players on this club that has/know's his role. Will shove back when push comes & will net you some goals when needed, not flashy but works.

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Keep everyone above 6"
Especially on D. All of them should be over 6" and 200 pounds at least.

But you could keep a couple forwards.

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