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01-30-2012, 01:50 PM
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Edmonton's 1st at the Deadline

Would we realistically be able to pull off a trade to get a stud defenseman like Weber/Suter with a package centered around our 2012 1st?

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01-30-2012, 01:52 PM
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Would we realistically be able to pull off a trade to get a stud defenseman like Weber/Suter with a package centered around our 2012 1st?
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01-30-2012, 01:52 PM
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Can't see the Oilers doing that unless Suter or Weber sign an extension...and I don't see either of those 2 signing an extension with the Oilers

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there is no way for weber...

suter.. maybe if he is dealt

weber for one of the big 3 + 2012 1st +

suter for 2012 1st +

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Why would they trade their first round pick (lottery pick at this point) for a player who isn't guaranteed to sign an extension? That would be foolish.

Off the top of my head, I cannot think of an available top pairing defenseman (who is under contract for a while) the oilers could potentially target. So, in regards to your question, I'm going to say No, from both sides.

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It makes no sense for either team. A playoff team doesn't trade for picks or prospects.

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Edmonton should just draft Yakupov. With RNH, Eberle, Hall, MPS and Yakupov, why would you even need defense?

Would it be possible for Edmonton to trade down to like, Pick #4/#5 and get Murray? What kind of trade would that require? First overall for Fourth overall and 16th overall? Getting Murray and a decent forward at the draft would be great for Edmonton.

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01-30-2012, 03:13 PM
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I'll give ya Schenn and Grabo for it

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01-30-2012, 03:15 PM
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Would we realistically be able to pull off a trade to get a stud defenseman like Weber/Suter with a package centered around our 2012 1st?
you have a better chance at the draft when its known where the Oilers first will be sitting.

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How many times must it be told... Teams in rebuild don't trade picks.

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you have a better chance at the draft when its known where the Oilers first will be sitting.
Yea, and they'll have a better idea what the situation is with Weber and Suter after the season, much more realistic at the draft but I don't see either of them signing with Edmonton if they're concerned about Nashville being a contender.

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We'll give you Schneider, Ballard, and Raymond.

Joking... Just Schneider, in the offseason

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We'll give you Schneider, Ballard, and Raymond.

Joking... Just Schneider, in the offseason
Those three will indeed be traded for Perry. Just got confirmation from Patrice Brisebois.

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Edmonton should just draft Yakupov. With RNH, Eberle, Hall, MPS and Yakupov, why would you even need defense?

Would it be possible for Edmonton to trade down to like, Pick #4/#5 and get Murray? What kind of trade would that require? First overall for Fourth overall and 16th overall? Getting Murray and a decent forward at the draft would be great for Edmonton.
The problem that the oilers will start to run into is all those shiny top draft pics aren't being paid on ELC's any more. If the mindset is to go for one big run or two before you have to start paying all these kids then you have to take BPA at the draft. Another possibility is to trade down a few spots and pick up an established player where you are weak but not have another game breaker you'll have to pay.

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The problem that the oilers will start to run into is all those shiny top draft pics aren't being paid on ELC's any more. If the mindset is to go for one big run or two before you have to start paying all these kids then you have to take BPA at the draft. Another possibility is to trade down a few spots and pick up an established player where you are weak but not have another game breaker you'll have to pay.
There not all going to be worth 8 million.

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Edmonton should just draft Yakupov. With RNH, Eberle, Hall, MPS and Yakupov, why would you even need defense?

Would it be possible for Edmonton to trade down to like, Pick #4/#5 and get Murray? What kind of trade would that require? First overall for Fourth overall and 16th overall? Getting Murray and a decent forward at the draft would be great for Edmonton.
That would be fill a huge need, but I fear that we might be missing out on a generational player like Yakupov. It could be a great trade depending on how players pan out.

It could be...

One of Bogosian, Myers, or Schenn plus
One of Karlsson, Gardiner, Sbisa
versus Stamkos

One of Ellerby, Alzner plus
One of Shattenkirk, Plante
versus P Kane

A trade like that could have massive implications based upon how the players involved turn out.

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there is no way for weber...

suter.. maybe if he is dealt

weber for one of the big 3 + 2012 1st +

suter for 2012 1st +
One year of Weber will not get you Hall/RNH/Eberle + Yakupov/Grigorenko

A UFA will not get you 1st/2nd overall either. Chris Pronger(2005) was better than both of these guys and he didn't fetch this type of return with a "sign and trade

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One year of Weber will not get you Hall/RNH/Eberle + Yakupov/Grigorenko

A UFA will not get you 1st/2nd overall either. Chris Pronger(2005) was better than both of these guys and he didn't fetch this type of return with a "sign and trade
lol .....

I get so tired of these responses. just give us your scraps .. MPS + 2nd ... give up to get..

or how about this. QUIT STARTING THREADS THAT INVOLVE TRADING FOR WEBER OR SUTER. it wont happen and if it does its overpayment.. so if you dont want to overpay for the best defensive pair in the game, then gtfo

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The problem that the oilers will start to run into is all those shiny top draft pics aren't being paid on ELC's any more. If the mindset is to go for one big run or two before you have to start paying all these kids then you have to take BPA at the draft. Another possibility is to trade down a few spots and pick up an established player where you are weak but not have another game breaker you'll have to pay.
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There not all going to be worth 8 million.
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That would be fill a huge need, but I fear that we might be missing out on a generational player like Yakupov. It could be a great trade depending on how players pan out.

It could be...

One of Bogosian, Myers, or Schenn plus
One of Karlsson, Gardiner, Sbisa
versus Stamkos

One of Ellerby, Alzner plus
One of Shattenkirk, Plante
versus P Kane

A trade like that could have massive implications based upon how the players involved turn out.
If Edmonton does get the first overall pick, I feel like Yakupov would be the best choice. If they're all worth 8 million dollars when they become RFAs, one of them can be traded for whatever the team, at that point, needs. And they will be worth a hell of a lot by that point. Or they can work out a way to fit all of these players on the roster.

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01-30-2012, 04:06 PM
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there is no way for weber...

suter.. maybe if he is dealt

weber for one of the big 3 + 2012 1st +

suter for 2012 1st +
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One year of Weber will not get you Hall/RNH/Eberle + Yakupov/Grigorenko

A UFA will not get you 1st/2nd overall either. Chris Pronger(2005) was better than both of these guys and he didn't fetch this type of return with a "sign and trade
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lol .....

I get so tired of these responses. just give us your scraps .. MPS + 2nd ... give up to get..

or how about this. QUIT STARTING THREADS THAT INVOLVE TRADING FOR WEBER OR SUTER. it wont happen and if it does its overpayment.. so if you dont want to overpay for the best defensive pair in the game, then gtfo
Actually, I didn't offer nor mention MPS + 2nd. I provided an example of what a trade for a RFA HoF defenseman in his prime has been.
So GTF back to your cave

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Actually, I didn't offer nor mention MPS + 2nd. I provided an example of what a trade for a RFA HoF defenseman in his prime has been.
So GTF back to your cave
never said you mentioned that offer... but if the big 3 aren't in play nor is the 1st round pick .. what is left to trade for weber? MPS, 2nd, hemsky, sutton ? my point its going to take alot to get them . if you want to propose a trade for them, dont go in saying "player A isn't on the table, pick 1 isn't on the table" etc...

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never said you mentioned that offer... but if the big 3 aren't in play nor is the 1st round pick .. what is left to trade for weber? MPS, 2nd, hemsky, sutton ? my point its going to take alot to get them . if you want to propose a trade for them, dont go in saying "player A isn't on the table, pick 1 isn't on the table" etc...
Very interested to see what happens with those two. Obviously, a team isn't going to give up the equivalent of 2 top 3 picks for Weber, so I'll be curious to see the price, if he moves, and if it comes with a new contract.

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There not all going to be worth 8 million.
Maybe not. But you have enough of them that it could still get expensive to pay them all. A lot of good and bad things can happen between now then however.

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If Edmonton does get the first overall pick, I feel like Yakupov would be the best choice. If they're all worth 8 million dollars when they become RFAs, one of them can be traded for whatever the team, at that point, needs. And they will be worth a hell of a lot by that point. Or they can work out a way to fit all of these players on the roster.
Typically I agree with the BPA philosophy. I was only pointing out that the more top 5 picks you get the more expensive it's gonna get.

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