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01-28-2012, 03:57 PM
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first off, we would not get lupuls worth in value in a trade atm.

second off, lupul is a perfect fit here, and he loves it in toronto

unless he asks for an outrageous ammount of money he will be a stay a leaf for years to come..

also he should get komo's "A" .

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01-28-2012, 04:06 PM
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Lupul is like the Toronto equivalent of Burrows. That's about the summation of his value, in my opinion.

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01-28-2012, 04:47 PM
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Malkin and a first heh

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01-28-2012, 05:48 PM
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Lupul is like the Toronto equivalent of Burrows. That's about the summation of his value, in my opinion.
I'd say with a bit more of a higher ceiling (he was drafted #7 overall for a reason), but that's fair.

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01-28-2012, 06:00 PM
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..what does that have to do with anything I said? I wouldn't go back on the Ballard deal, we need him way more than we need Grabner or a prospect. I think Grabner is overrated, Ballard is a fine defenseman he just makes a bit too much for what he brings. Way to derail the thread tho, everything I said about Lupul has been corroborated by many other posters. Troll elsewhere.
you wouldnt give a first for the sixth leading scorer in the league, but you're ok with the cost that the canucks paid to get an overpaid bottom pairing dman?

and im the troll...

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01-28-2012, 07:50 PM
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I'd say with a bit more of a higher ceiling (he was drafted #7 overall for a reason), but that's fair.
He does have a higher ceiling, I'll agree.

I think the fact Burrows has nearly 3 seasons of impressive production evens it out.

I suppose the way I should have worded it was that both players inherently aren't as good as their stats right now make them seem, but the chemistry they have with their linemates (Kessel, Sedins) makes them nearly untouchable save for a huge, guaranteed upgrade.

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01-28-2012, 08:59 PM
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Probably a little less then Pomminville and Dustin Brown.

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01-28-2012, 10:52 PM
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Probably a little less then Pomminville and Dustin Brown.
I'd say equal to Pominville but more then Brown

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01-28-2012, 11:15 PM
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Lupul is here to stay as far as im concerned. He become one of those players who is more valuable to us then he is to another team.

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01-30-2012, 01:40 PM
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He does have a higher ceiling, I'll agree.

I think the fact Burrows has nearly 3 seasons of impressive production evens it out.

I suppose the way I should have worded it was that both players inherently aren't as good as their stats right now make them seem, but the chemistry they have with their linemates (Kessel, Sedins) makes them nearly untouchable save for a huge, guaranteed upgrade.
riiiiiiiight... except that Burrows "nearly 3 seasons of impressive production" still isn't enough to put his career point totals close to on par with the previously injured, "not meeting expectations", "disappointing" Lupul.

If you eliminate this years stats from his career totals and rely 100% on stats when Lupul was valueless according to the genius posters on this site, Lupul STILL has more career points than Burrows... including Burrows' '11-'12 points.

And Lupul is two years younger

And Lupul is playing with only one 1st line calibre player as opposed to arguably the best playmaking pair in the league/world.

So no, Burrows' value is nowhere close to Lupul's. This isn't just me pumping up a leaf, his performance before he was a leaf when hfboards seems to have agreed he was S**t was also significantly better than Burrows. Any GM worth a damn knows this, and anyone that knows hockey who's actually watched both players play knows this.

This site is remarkably bad at valuing players. YES, he is likely worth more to the leafs than other teams, but his value around the league is still significantly higher than burrows or the 1st, 3rd, mediocre prospect suggested earlier (unless we're talking lottery).

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01-30-2012, 02:48 PM
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I personally do not think there is a value for lupul at this point. The only value lupul really holds is a top line / top 10 nhl point producer for the leafs.

No point in putting a value on an untouchable player at this point regardless of what teams feel he is worth.

He fits on the leafs, did not look out of place at the all star game, and is all around playing a much different style of hockey from his previous years.

Guy seems to be reborn from his pottential career threatening injuries, looks like he loves playing on the leafs and is putting in a consistant effort regularily. Thats all anyone can ask for as a fan.

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01-30-2012, 03:32 PM
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change the 2nd to a 1st ...

and that prospect better be good
I hope your just trolling cause there a no way Dallas gives up Morrow, a first and a good prospect for Lupul


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01-30-2012, 03:40 PM
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I hope your just trolling cause there a no way Dallas gives up Morrow, a first and a good prospect for Lupel
Yea, but Lupel sucks. Lupul, on the other hand, is totally worth it!

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01-30-2012, 03:44 PM
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Yea, but Lupel sucks. Lupul, on the other hand, is totally worth it!
Thought i could sneak that one bye, fixed

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01-30-2012, 04:05 PM
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Lupul has underachieved forever it seems and has now put together a single good season. Most people won't give you much for that, he could easily revert to his previous form on another team with different line mates. He has more value to the Leafs than anyone else, I wouldn't even give a 1st for him myself.
Although you wouldn't give up a first, I guarantee teams would give the Leafs a lot more than that to get Lupul.

Sure i'm saying this as a Leafs fan, but last year everyone said Versteeg and Kaberle were worth 2nd round picks at the most. The thing is, teams are willing to overpay for their needs.

The Bruins traded their first, a good prospect, and a conditional pick (which the Leafs got) because they needed a puck moving d-man. Philly wanted secondary scoring, so the paid a first and a second for Versteeg.

Teams overpay for needs, that is what the trade deadline is all about.

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01-30-2012, 04:08 PM
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ok, everyone seems to agree that he's worth more to the leafs than he would be to anyone else, so maybe its better to gauge his value by comparing him to other players in the league.

So, new question, what players from other organizations are comparable to lupul?

I think the pominville comparison is pretty close~ pass first kind of guy, but is good for 20+ a season~
Is that a little high? Maybe something more like a Jussi Jokinen? Ready, go

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01-30-2012, 04:33 PM
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IMO Lupul has has been the leafs MVP this season. I know it's his break out year but it's not like he has just a lot of point. He's been a horse this season who has taken over games. I wouldn't want to get rid of him unless we got back a big time player.

Not only do non Leafs fans on here undervalue Leafs. Leafs Fans WAY overvalue guys who aren't on the Leafs. I really believe it takes guts to play thrive in Toronto and there are only a handful of guys in the league that would play as well for the Leafs as Lupul is.

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01-30-2012, 04:41 PM
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it wasn't like Thornton made every one of those 50 goals go in.
No but that was the start of back to back 90 assist seasons for Joe. You know, something only Mario and Gretzky have done.

It was also in 2006 when everyone was getting used to new rules and everyone was having a career year

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01-30-2012, 04:48 PM
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Kessel benefits equally as much from Lupul as Lupul benefits from Kessel (maybe not equally, but you get the point )

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01-30-2012, 05:01 PM
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I would want Dany Masse from the Habs.

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01-30-2012, 05:07 PM
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Just looked it up. Cheechoo had like 7 goals in 24 games without Joe, 1 in ALL of November. After the deal he had 49 from the start of December to the end of the year

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It's funny how his value has done a 180 from this time last year.

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01-30-2012, 05:25 PM
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He has always had the pedigree to be a top scorer he just never reached that potential up until this year.

That said given previous lacklustre years I doubt anyone would pay full value for him now until he proved himself for a couple more years. The catch 22 is that if he proved himself for a couple years of top flight scoring, Toronto wouldn't want to trade him...

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01-30-2012, 05:30 PM
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Just not sure how you can make the statement that Kessel and lupul are the best duo this year. Giroux/ Hartnell and Malkin/Neal are the top 2
Lupul/Kessel = 46 goals and 103 points

Giroux/Hartnell = 43 goals and 99 points

Malkin/Neal = 53 goals and 105 points

So really Kessel/Lupul have been second best duo this year, only slightly behind Malkin/Neal

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01-30-2012, 05:34 PM
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He does have a higher ceiling, I'll agree.

I think the fact Burrows has nearly 3 seasons of impressive production evens it out.

I suppose the way I should have worded it was that both players inherently aren't as good as their stats right now make them seem, but the chemistry they have with their linemates (Kessel, Sedins) makes them nearly untouchable save for a huge, guaranteed upgrade.
I disagree with this. Sure Burrows has one 30 goal season over Lupul, but Lupul has almost 60 more points in 9 more games over his career, has 17 more goals, and didn't have the luxury of playing with the Sedins, or behind them.

Plus he's younger, dealt with injuries, etc.

Any GM worth their weight in salt would know that Burke would have valid reason to hold Lupul in higher regards than Burrows...

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