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01-31-2012, 03:12 PM
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The annual NHL AllStar game is a celebration of excellence, not futility. Why would they want to soil the festivities by having someone wearing an Oiler jersey anywhere near those facilities?

Even the most avid hockey fan would question why there's a player from the last place team, 3 yrs running, doing participating in a celebration of excellence exhitibition game like this. That Oiler jersey we all use to treasure is now the laughing stock of the league outside of Edmonton.
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The annual NHL AllStar game is a celebration of excellence, not futility. Why would they want to soil the festivities by having someone wearing an Oiler jersey anywhere near those facilities?

Even the most avid hockey fan would question why there's a player from the last place team, 3 yrs running, doing participating in a celebration of excellence exhibition game like this. That Oiler jersey we all use to treasure is now the laughing stock of the league outside of Edmonton.
So basically good players on bad teams should not make the all-star team? Ridiculous!

Eberle was top 10 in the NHL when he got injured. He deserved to be there.

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So basically good players on bad teams should not make the all-star team? Ridiculous!

Eberle was top 10 in the NHL when he got injured. He deserved to be there.
But maybe now we can see why he was just passing pucks instead of being front and center in during these festivities.

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The annual NHL AllStar game is a celebration of excellence, not futility. Why would they want to soil the festivities by having someone wearing an Oiler jersey anywhere near those facilities?

Even the most avid hockey fan would question why there's a player from the last place team, 3 yrs running, doing participating in a celebration of excellence exhibition game like this. That Oiler jersey we all use to treasure is now the laughing stock of the league outside of Edmonton.
Do you think individual accolades should be taken away due to organizational difficulties? What does that say for all the hard work Jordan Eberle has put in all these years?

Eberle deserved to be there before his injury. He is an excellent player.

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But maybe now we can see why he was just passing pucks instead of being front and center in during these festivities.
Yep. That was it!

They said. "A guy playing for the 29th team in the NHL still managed to be 8th in all of the NHL at the time of his injury is obviously crap"

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Do you think individual accolades should be taken away due to organizational difficulties? What does that say for all the hard work Jordan Eberle has put in all these years?

Eberle deserved to be there before his injury. He is an excellent player.
No i don't believe that should happen in this socialism based world we're living in.. This is what they (NHL) tried to do though.

If it wasn't for this being an optional event for players, or for whatever possible injury excuse, Ebs would've been on the outside looking in on this one. Just saying he should've been treated alot better than he was, there's two sides to every story.

The fact that he was a last minute replacement and a non participant in the skills competition must confirm he was an afterthought.

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No i don't believe that should happen in this socialism based world we're living in.. This is what they (NHL) tried to do though.

If it wasn't for this being an optional event for players, or for whatever possible injury excuse, Ebs would've been on the outside looking in on this one. Just saying he should've been treated alot better than he was, there's two sides to every story.

The fact that he was a last minute replacement and a non participant in the skills competition must confirm he was an afterthought
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I hate playing devil's advocate with my earlier statement, but I don't disagree with the bold part at all. I look at it from a measure of: 1) Lots of talent dispersal in the league, 2) Fan Voting is crap, 3) The players got to pick the skill participants.

I'm just rather confused at this whole all-star scenario in general. This is the first year I've watched where they've pretty blatantly left players out of the proceedings that were invited.

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No i don't believe that should happen in this socialism based world we're living in.. This is what they (NHL) tried to do though.

If it wasn't for this being an optional event for players, or for whatever possible injury excuse, Ebs would've been on the outside looking in on this one. Just saying he should've been treated alot better than he was, there's two sides to every story.

The fact that he was a last minute replacement and a non participant in the skills competition must confirm he was an afterthought.
The fact that he didn't participate in the any of the skills in the competition is actually more because the CAPTAINS picked the players who would. Eberle being from the west got very little exposure to the captains who were all from the eastern conference. He deserved to be there more so than quite a few players CAPTAINS included. However the NHL in their infinite wisdom decided to make two eastern teams players captains and not represent the west in that regard at all.

Eberle leads the oilers in points and goals and before his injury was top 10 in league scoring. If that doesn't deserve an all star nomination what does? Someone should have told Chara if he wasn't injured he would have been named to the team as a regular not a quote unquote replacement.

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The fact that he didn't participate in the any of the skills in the competition is actually more because the CAPTAINS picked the players who would. Eberle being from the west got very little exposure to the captains who were all from the eastern conference. He deserved to be there more so than quite a few players CAPTAINS included. However the NHL in their infinite wisdom decided to make two eastern teams players captains and not represent the west in that regard at all.

Eberle leads the oilers in points and goals and before his injury was top 10 in league scoring. If that doesn't deserve an all star nomination what does? Someone should have told Chara if he wasn't injured he would have been named to the team as a regular not a quote unquote replacement.
Not so sure your interpretations are accurate. Jordan left Edmonton already knowing what his duties/or lack thereof where instore for him. How could he know this before he was even selected by a captain? The so called draft on thursday was TSN just being TSN. Players were not selected at random at all, they were arranged days in advance so the jerseys could be crested well in advance of the thursdays TSN program. What you seen on your television thursday evening was for entertainment purposes only. It wasn't random at all. the captains can share in little or no blame here.

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So basically good players on bad teams should not make the all-star team? Ridiculous!

Eberle was top 10 in the NHL when he got injured. He deserved to be there.
Agreed. The All-Star game is about individual achievement.

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The annual NHL AllStar game is a celebration of excellence, not futility. Why would they want to soil the festivities by having someone wearing an Oiler jersey anywhere near those facilities?
I think you're confusing the all-star game with the Stanley Cup playoffs where the success of the team matters. And I think most of us would trade Eberle's all-star appearance with a playoff team right about now.

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This is what happens when you have 4-0 EC captains. Perhaps next year they'll have 4-0 WC captains, so we can see Seguin and Kessel just feeding passes.

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This is what happens when you have 4-0 EC captains. Perhaps next year they'll have 4-0 WC captains, so we can see Seguin and Kessel just feeding passes.
Yeah that was really botched. I expect the NHL will put something in place to prevent it from happening again.

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Not so sure your interpretations are accurate. Jordan left Edmonton already knowing what his duties/or lack thereof where instore for him. How could he know this before he was even selected by a captain? The so called draft on thursday was TSN just being TSN. Players were not selected at random at all, they were arranged days in advance so the jerseys could be crested well in advance of the thursdays TSN program. What you seen on your television thursday evening was for entertainment purposes only. It wasn't random at all. the captains can share in little or no blame here.
The captains got to pick which of their players participated in what skill.

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The captains got to pick which of their players participated in what skill.
It's like a layer of politics on top of a layer of politics.

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It's like a layer of politics on top of a layer of politics.
Or crap on crap. Well I guess I don't mind the picking teams concept but the captains picking who participates in the skills is just ridiculous to me.

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Yeah that was really botched. I expect the NHL will put something in place to prevent it from happening again.
I didn't really follow it so much but how did it happen? I'm a little confused as well. Why "4 captains". I thought it was just Chara and Alfreddson.

I think what would be helpful as well is if the NHL even attempted to make some sense of any of this for the average fan.
As it is, the captains, lineups, teams make no sense whatsoeve to anybody that didn't have their eyes glued to the entire allstar week.

They didn't even post up the team lineups in any intelligible manner on their website. I got curious after awhile trying to figure anything out about the ASG teams and lineups.

If you go with a really unorthodox format(and you shouldn't anyway) its then incumbent to explain and clarify and describe the format intricately.

To the casual observer ASG was amplified chaos. Team Chara vs Team Alfreddson. If the NHL was trying to be a joke they couldn't come up with something more nonsensical than that. It was one big W T F moment.

I'll point out something as well. Hockey is hard to follow to begin with for the average casual viewer. Making a showcase event impossible to follow sure doesn't help. But not to worry, the NBC didn't even bother to pick it up anyway so it didn't showcase anything.

To those defending the current state of the ASG silliness I'll let you know that the ASG at one time was a showcase anticipated event and with ample coverage and interest.

Now its Seinfeldian nothing about nothing.

Next year. Team Mork vs Team Mindy. Bring it.

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No i don't believe that should happen in this socialism based world we're living in.. This is what they (NHL) tried to do though.

If it wasn't for this being an optional event for players, or for whatever possible injury excuse, Ebs would've been on the outside looking in on this one. Just saying he should've been treated alot better than he was, there's two sides to every story.

The fact that he was a last minute replacement and a non participant in the skills competition must confirm he was an afterthought.
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I just don't understand why so many people in this thread seem to be taking this personally. It's the freakin' All Star Game, let it go guys.

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I just don't understand why so many people in this thread seem to be taking this personally. It's the freakin' All Star Game, let it go guys.
I was wondering why a thread on an all star game is still going... but I shouldn't be surprised. This is HFoil. Heh.

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I didn't really follow it so much but how did it happen? I'm a little confused as well. Why "4 captains". I thought it was just Chara and Alfreddson.

I think what would be helpful as well is if the NHL even attempted to make some sense of any of this for the average fan.
As it is, the captains, lineups, teams make no sense whatsoeve to anybody that didn't have their eyes glued to the entire allstar week.

They didn't even post up the team lineups in any intelligible manner on their website. I got curious after awhile trying to figure anything out about the ASG teams and lineups.

If you go with a really unorthodox format(and you shouldn't anyway) its then incumbent to explain and clarify and describe the format intricately.

To the casual observer ASG was amplified chaos. Team Chara vs Team Alfreddson. If the NHL was trying to be a joke they couldn't come up with something more nonsensical than that. It was one big W T F moment.

I'll point out something as well. Hockey is hard to follow to begin with for the average casual viewer. Making a showcase event impossible to follow sure doesn't help. But not to worry, the NBC didn't even bother to pick it up anyway so it didn't showcase anything.

To those defending the current state of the ASG silliness I'll let you know that the ASG at one time was a showcase anticipated event and with ample coverage and interest.

Now its Seinfeldian nothing about nothing.

Next year. Team Mork vs Team Mindy. Bring it.
To be honest, I'm not even sure how it happened... which kind of ties in nicely with the rest of your post, because I didn't care so I wasn't even following the 'proceedings' this year. The only part I actually did watch was the player draft, and that was more because I was interested in seeing players interact with each other (that, and I needed something to watch while running on the treadmill at the gym...)

But I tuned in and noticed the two captains were from the same division, which seems like a mistake to begin with. Then I saw the two alternates from the Eastern Conference and that just seemed wrong. I thought it maybe had something to do with fan voting, but it doesn't look that way when I check the website.

I know it's for the kids and everything, but it's hilarious that the NHL is actually debating whether to participate in the Olympics in 2014 when having an ASG is the alternative. I know it's fantasy, but I would gladly take a ten day break every February for a IIHF World Cup instead of this. Better product, actually has meaning in international hockey rankings, and it would give the fans of the last place teams something to cheer for in the dead of winter.

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