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02-01-2012, 10:46 AM
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Really thought AA could be a 60 point guy this year. Obviously hard to do on the fourth line but he's put himself there.

Maybe this is who he is. A 45-60 point guy who floats between the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on which gear he's driving on. Either way, he's relatively cheap and plays responsibly in his own zone. I wouldn't be so quick to trade him unless it's a no-brainer return.

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02-01-2012, 10:48 AM
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I still think there is an outside chance Arty is packaged with Zuke and a pick for a top 6 LW that will be undercontract beyond this yr and a depth player

crummy part is you know the guys on the team like him. The Arty gun shot by Gabs for example......its a biz though and he's on the 4th line right now.........I am ok with moving him if it brings in the right guy at the right price.

I would do Roy, Gaustad for Anisimov ,Zuccarello for example............flame away!
Idk why the Sabres would though. They have enough small forwards already.

Roy, Gaustad for AA, Wolski, +? That's something I could consider, but the allegations from Sabres fans about Roy's character issues are really alarming.

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02-01-2012, 10:50 AM
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That's my biggest gripe with him... he hasn't really improved since last season. I'm always willing to be patient with our young guys, but I feel like he hasn't taken the necessary strides in his development as a 3rd year forward.
He is painfully slow and easy to knock off his skates. That combination isn't going to lead to consistent offense.

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02-01-2012, 10:53 AM
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Good player but overrated. I know I overrated his offense at the time of the 2006 draft. Ever since he reminds me of Stephane Matteau offensively, he just skates and looks so much like him when in the O zone ! So much promise and size but does not standout game in game out.

Having said that, he still has good value with his age/frame/contract. But would I trade him now? It'd have to be for a game changing player or a similar struggling youngster, not some rental.

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02-01-2012, 11:08 AM
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It's not my intention to have this come off as reactionary. It has nothing to do with the bad penalty AA took last night. The fact is, I feel the team is at a crossroads with this guy. 0 points in his last 16 games played. Relegated to the fourth line. And I don't see any change in attitude, compete level or any real sense of urgency in the guy. He has not risen to any challenge but, instead has wilted.

So what's the deal with this guy? How long can he stay in Torts' good graces? Or the lineup for that matter?
Although I generally disagree with you SBOB I will admit you are probably the least reactionary person on here and happen to agree with you 100%.

This team is a very close knit group of guys and I would hate to break that up but the fact is AA has really regressed. At this point I would be okay with packaging him up.

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02-01-2012, 11:09 AM
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It's not my intention to have this come off as reactionary. It has nothing to do with the bad penalty AA took last night. The fact is, I feel the team is at a crossroads with this guy. 0 points in his last 16 games played. Relegated to the fourth line. And I don't see any change in attitude, compete level or any real sense of urgency in the guy. He has not risen to any challenge but, instead has wilted.

So what's the deal with this guy? How long can he stay in Torts' good graces? Or the lineup for that matter?
unfortunately, you're right. i was thinking the same thing lately and i hate to admit it. i've always had a soft spot for the guy, i think he has the potential to tear it up in this league. maybe a change would do him good.

people might rip on me for this but i was thinking he would break out if he were to play for Columbus.

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02-01-2012, 11:11 AM
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I really thought he was going to break out this year. I guess I was wrong.

Did not even know it was that long of a point streak with him.

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02-01-2012, 11:22 AM
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Been disappointed with him this year... Was hoping he was going to be a more consistent player...

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02-01-2012, 11:29 AM
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It's not my intention to have this come off as reactionary. It has nothing to do with the bad penalty AA took last night. The fact is, I feel the team is at a crossroads with this guy. 0 points in his last 16 games played. Relegated to the fourth line. And I don't see any change in attitude, compete level or any real sense of urgency in the guy. He has not risen to any challenge but, instead has wilted.

So what's the deal with this guy? How long can he stay in Torts' good graces? Or the lineup for that matter?
Call Wolf Blitzer, cuz we are in total agreement.

If I were Slats, I'd try to include him in a deal to acquire a top 6 scorer, and I wouldn't think twice about it. Unfortunately, his value is low, right now. Hopefully Slats could work his magic.

Honestly I'm surprised he didn't get Turris from Phoenix. Do we know if he tried?

My stance on Anisimov has been well documented on this site, over the years. I was flamed when I posted "You don't win the Stanley Cup with guys like Anisimov". Perhaps I needed to convey my point a little better, but I think we're starting to see how prophetic that statement was.

Prediction: He'll be moved by the deadline.

Anisimov for Prospal straight up?

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02-01-2012, 11:36 AM
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Anisimov for Prospal straight up?
I know the kid is struggling mightily, but dear Lord thats an awful, awful proposal and terrible asset management

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02-01-2012, 11:39 AM
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I know the kid is struggling mightily, but dear Lord thats an awful, awful proposal and terrible asset management
Worse than awful.

Though, I do think he should be benched tonight after that TERRIBLE penalty (can you tell how I feel about it yet?) last night. Blame Callahan all you want but they should never have been on the PK to begin with.

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02-01-2012, 11:41 AM
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When has he ever made a smart offensive play or pass that makes you just say wow big time talent! I dont remember him doing it very often. That said he fits in perfect as a 3rd line defensive specialist with some actual offensive skill which is not always the easiest thing to find and he'll be very cheap to keep around and COULD still blossom further in an offensive capacity. He's not a 3 or 4 mil dollar piece of FA crap that we need to get rid of. he's also proven to have the ability to step onto any line on the team and contribute if for just two or three weeks at a time. If you can get bobby ryan sure but I dont see prospects and picks as worth jack crap compared to Artie
Deffinatly agree with this, but he needs to get waaaaay better at faceoffs to cement himself in that roll to have a future with this team in that roll.

Arty would be hugh for us as a 3rd line center and his lack of dynamic score could be over looked if he can be relied on for his defence and if he can impove his faceoff win percentage. Too talented/soft for the 4th line but not consistant enough to be a in the top 6 yet, if ever. Also depends on how his contracts increase as time goes on but being home grown that works in our favor over out bidding for UFA mercenaries as well as the locker room comradere aspect.

If anything his make or break right now is a deffined role, what it will take for him to fullfill that role, & can we keep his cap hit respectable to that role.

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Anisimov for Prospal straight up?
no way

Anisimov for Tyutin?

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02-01-2012, 11:47 AM
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I know the kid is struggling mightily, but dear Lord thats an awful, awful proposal and terrible asset management
What asset is that? A guy that has 22 points?

You want me to start naming players in the league with more?

P.A. Parenteau who we discarded like garbage, has 44 points.

That was horrible asset management.

Holding onto this scrub while waiting for his value to drop exponentially, was terrible asset management.

Look at the players we traded away leading up to the cup; two borderline hall of famers in Doug Weight (for Esa Tikkanen in 93) and Tony Amonte in March of 1994.

Without those deals, I doubt we win the cup.

The point is, I don't think Anisimov is worth much at all, so I'm not scared to trade him away for a guy like Prospal.


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02-01-2012, 11:54 AM
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And yet, he is still outscoring Dubinsky this season.
Sad part is I have noticed Dubinsky more despite AA playing on the top line and outscoring him.

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02-01-2012, 11:56 AM
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Still not sure AA is a bad player, per se. I agree with some other people, insofar as I wouldn't mind seeing the Pack Line together again. Give Richards another shot with Gabby and see what happens.

Step - Richie - Gabby
Dubi - AA - Cally

I wouldn't be opposed to moving AA, but not for a rental. I'd rather keep him in hopes that he steps up than potentially disrupt the team's mojo.

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Still not sure AA is a bad player, per se. I agree with some other people, insofar as I wouldn't mind seeing the Pack Line together again. Give Richards another shot with Gabby and see what happens.

Step - Richie - Gabby
Dubi - AA - Cally


I wouldn't be opposed to moving AA, but not for a rental. I'd rather keep him in hopes that he steps up than potentially disrupt the team's mojo.
i agree 100% although i feel like it's a waste to have Hagelin on the third line.

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02-01-2012, 12:00 PM
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Just throwing some names out there:

Purcell
Downie
Roy (reach?)
Clutterbuck (reach?)

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His game dropped off after "The Machinegun Ani" incident

Just look at this:

Stats until Machinegun game
25 GP
5G
12 A
17 P
+6
16 PM (+10 M major)
15:28 TOI
0,68 PPG

Stats after Machinegun game
22 GP
2 G
3 A
5 P
+ 2
4 PM
15:18 TOI
0,23 PPG

I think it is that simple, really. He needs a shrink. Not joking

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Not sure dealing him when his value is this low is the best course of action.
No, his fetching price would be too low. At this point, the best thing that can happen is for him to raise his game. How? That is a different question. Torts has only one way of dealing with players, which is a good thing. AA is goign to have to show that he can raise his level of play.

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AA for Malkin. Straight up

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His game dropped off after "The Machinegun Ani" incident

Just look at this:

Stats until Machinegun game
25 GP
5G
12 A
17 P
+6
16 PM (+10 M major)
15:28 TOI
0,68 PPG

Stats after Machinegun game
22 GP
2 G
3 A
5 P
+ 2
4 PM
15:18 TOI
0,23 PPG

I think it is that simple, really. He needs a shrink. Not joking
If it's that simple, then how do you explain him having 2G & 3A in the 6GP after the incident? Delayed onset? This shrink really has his work cut out for him.

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Just throwing some names out there:

Purcell
Downie
Roy (reach?)
Clutterbuck (reach?)
I would love Clutterbuck. He fits the team identity perfectly. Doubt Minny would move him, though.

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Really thought AA could be a 60 point guy this year. Obviously hard to do on the fourth line but he's put himself there.

Maybe this is who he is. A 45-60 point guy who floats between the 2nd and 3rd lines depending on which gear he's driving on. Either way, he's relatively cheap and plays responsibly in his own zone. I wouldn't be so quick to trade him unless it's a no-brainer return.
I agree with this. It's called good asset management.

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Just throwing some names out there:

Purcell
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Clutterbuck (reach?)
Downie is an interesting name.

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