LOL too funny. I wouldn't want that primadonna or his bloody contract on my team. I wouldn't have wanted him at his old deal honestly. I would take Perry Kessler Getz hell even Spezza over Kovalchuk.
I think the comment Suter made about how we would be trading him if we were struggling could have easily been a comment made jokingly. The reporter isn't obliged to say, "he said with a smile and a laugh" or anything, though I could picture Suter saying it that exact way.
I think the comment Suter made about how we would be trading him if we were struggling could have easily been a comment made jokingly. The reporter isn't obliged to say, "he said with a smile and a laugh" or anything, though I could picture Suter saying it that exact way.
I sure hope so....
gah suter just stop talking .. you're horrible at it
in terms of value yes.. maybe more. defenseman market is scarce and GM's know how great suter is
You are correct he is a great defenseman but I still don't think he gets a return like what has been spoken of. As for TMI he is correct no one knows his true meaning behind what he said only he does and he hasn't tried to clarify either which makes everyone one speculate on what his meaning was.
You are correct he is a great defenseman but I still don't think he gets a return like what has been spoken of. As for TMI he is correct no one knows his true meaning behind what he said only he does and he hasn't tried to clarify either which makes everyone one speculate on what his meaning was.
we'll probably never know.. don't you wish we could ask GMs the value of players? that would eliminate all the horseplay
gah suter just stop talking .. you're horrible at it
And what's with the Flyers players alll chiming in. Sounds almost like tampering. We've got Timonen, Hartnell, and now Giroux all on record saying how they'd like him on their team...
And what's with the Flyers players alll chiming in. Sounds almost like tampering. We've got Timonen, Hartnell, and now Giroux all on record saying how they'd like him on their team...
I know about timonen.. but hartnell and giroux? when and where?
And what's with the Flyers players alll chiming in. Sounds almost like tampering. We've got Timonen, Hartnell, and now Giroux all on record saying how they'd like him on their team...
Players talking to other players isn't tampering if the GM approaches the player then it is tampering. Mind you this is the first I have heard of Hartnel and CG talking to him.
This whole situation reeks. And Suter keeps adding fuel to the fire.
Suter is a great D-man, but no where close to the super-star level of Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Progner, Chara etc. He will be grossly overpaid at 7m+. He' like Scott Niedermayer with WAY less offense.
In terms of what he'd actually return.. who knows? It just depends how bad a team wants him. Philly is really rich with forward assets so maybe they decided to go for it all. It's not like Forseberg who was at the end of his career. And honestly, JVR isn't all that more proven that Scottie Upshall was at the time (plus add in Parent and a 1st). Whoever trades for him will aslo have the inside track to sign him through his prime.
where suter apparently tells the philly reportter that " Said Suter: "If we were struggling, they'd probably be trading me if I hadn't signed."
judge for yourself.....what a soap opera..of his own making.
If we had the record of Columbus or Carolina, Suter would have been moved within 48 hours of saying he wasn't signing before the deadline. Stating the obvious is not creating a "soap opera"
Suter is a great D-man, but no where close to the super-star level of Lidstrom, Niedermayer, Progner, Chara etc. He will be grossly overpaid at 7m+. He' like Scott Niedermayer with WAY less offense.
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You are so far off base it is not even funny. The only reason Suter doesn't get noted for his offense here is because he is too busy setting up Weber on the PP. Outside of that, Suter IS the reason why we are so good at bringing the puck up the ice at even strength or on the PP. Outside of Suter, I only believe Josi is the only one that can handle that duty (and he isn't nearly as good). IMO, nothing outside of Weber's shot is worthy of praise on offense. EVERYTHING in Suter's offensive game is worthy of praise, just his shot isn't as powerful as Weber's... that's it.
Suter is one of the top 5 dmen in the game today. No question about that. Period.
You are so far off base it is not even funny. The only reason Suter doesn't get noted for his offense here is because he is too busy setting up Weber on the PP. Outside of that, Suter IS the reason why we are so good at bringing the puck up the ice at even strength or on the PP. Outside of Suter, I only believe Josi is the only one that can handle that duty (and he isn't nearly as good). IMO, nothing outside of Weber's shot is worthy of praise on offense. EVERYTHING in Suter's offensive game is worthy of praise, just his shot isn't as powerful as Weber's... that's it.
Suter is one of the top 5 dmen in the game today. No question about that. Period.
Posted this elsewhere, thought it belonged here too.
Also, did anyone see ESPN's title for this game? "Broadstreet Audition" with Suters face plastered on the front of the NHL page. Each team has "their own special brew of off-ice distractions" with a line "A long playoff run this spring could be the key in convincing Suter and Weber to stay on board and sign extensions.
Of course, Suter first has to survive the trade deadline."
You are so far off base it is not even funny. The only reason Suter doesn't get noted for his offense here is because he is too busy setting up Weber on the PP. Outside of that, Suter IS the reason why we are so good at bringing the puck up the ice at even strength or on the PP. Outside of Suter, I only believe Josi is the only one that can handle that duty (and he isn't nearly as good). IMO, nothing outside of Weber's shot is worthy of praise on offense. EVERYTHING in Suter's offensive game is worthy of praise, just his shot isn't as powerful as Weber's... that's it.
Bringing the puck up the ice and being elite in the offensive zone are two different things. Yes, Suter is great at bringing the puck up ice, and it's a huge help to our team.
But, he is not elite in the offensive zone, at all. He had 1 PPG last year playing opposite the best point shot in the league. With all the shooting lanes Weber opens up that is just terrible. 2 years ago, he had 2 PPG. He's lack of goal scoring ability was one of the reasons our PP was so bad. This year, ironically in his contract year, he's ramping up the shooting.
Yes, he passes to Weber. It's not rocket science-- pass to the guy with the best point shot in the league. He has pretty good vision in the offensive zone, but it's not near elite. What would his stats be like if he was playing opposite Kevin Klein?
There are plenty of dmen who are better offensively than Suter.
He's a great dman, but he is not the complete package in class of Lidstrom/Pronger/Chara, mainly due to less than elite offensive zone play.
Are Suter's comments off base about trying to upgrade the talent around the heart of the team? Watch this team last night with Smithson on the third line and he has every reason to say what he did, as does Weber. They both see it. We as fans see it. If Trotz is going to continue to play Smithson with Spaling and Tootoo, it ruins the effectiveness of that line and is going to lead to Suter and Weber walking. Get the talent upgrade to bump down someone from the top 6 to play with Tootoo and Spaling or put Bourque back out there with them, get Yip back in the lineup and call it a day. I would prefer the talent upgrade because it makes us that much deeper.
To ILILI, while your little soap opera on Suter and Weber getting back from the all-star game was cute, do you see why they are saying what they are after watching bug eyes(Smithson) play the way he did last night? Role players are fine but we have enough of them on this roster to survive the loss of Smithson. Get the talent in instead of playing no talent hacks. This team can't afford to have guys like that in the lineup anymore. At one point we did but our top 6 are relatively versatile. Bye Smithson, it's been fun but it's time to go.
Paid for by the Suter and Weber campaign for better talent.
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one of anisimov or dubinsky
first round pick in 2012
for shea weber
you guys can sign suter and your get to keep the guy that actually wants to stay
So Weber doesn't want to stay? I must have missed it. When did he say that? All I've heard is he wants to stay as long as management is committed to being a long-term contender, which they are at least claiming to be.
But, he is not elite in the offensive zone, at all. He had 1 PPG last year playing opposite the best point shot in the league. With all the shooting lanes Weber opens up that is just terrible. 2 years ago, he had 2 PPG. He's lack of goal scoring ability was one of the reasons our PP was so bad. This year, ironically in his contract year, he's ramping up the shooting.
Yes, he passes to Weber. It's not rocket science-- pass to the guy with the best point shot in the league. He has pretty good vision in the offensive zone, but it's not near elite. What would his stats be like if he was playing opposite Kevin Klein?
There are plenty of dmen who are better offensively than Suter.
He's a great dman, but he is not the complete package in class of Lidstrom/Pronger/Chara, mainly due to less than elite offensive zone play.
Wait what? So because he setup shots for Weber last year on the PP, it means he isn't as good offensively? Actually, I think you made an argument in HIS FAVOR by saying that. Everyone knows that we are going to try and setup Weber on the PP, so Suter has the incredible ability to get passes off to him (quickly, mind you) even though other teams are cutting off that passing lane.
The reason why his PPG numbers were so low last year is because we didn't move the puck around QUICKLY last year to setup his own one-timers. Suter was one of the few guys on our team that could get a "one-touch" pass off to setup one-timers (which is why he ends up with the PPA). Notice this year who is feeding the players on the PP for one-timers... If someone would give Suter that, he would have more goals than he does.
Btw, Lidstrom (since 2001) only averages 12.7 goals per season. So, he doesn't light it up like other offensive dmen around the league have in years past (see Jovo, Green, Wideman, Burns, Yandle, etc).
Point being, he defers some of his shots to Weber because of how good Weber's shot is. Otherwise, we would be seeing Suter with 15-20 goals every year too. If he were playing with Klein, I believe we would definitely see that production from him.
And to say he is not elite in the offensive zone is just... baffling. He holds the puck in at the blueline probably better than anyone not named Chara in the league. He fakes shots and opens up shooting/passing lanes better than anyone not named Dan Boyle/Mike Green.
IMO, it is quite easy to see that the top 5 dmen in the league are: Weber, Chara, Lidstrom, Keith, and Suter.
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