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02-03-2012, 12:36 PM
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he's not the only one who said that. Not many people around here were happy with the pick.
I don't think many people around here will be considered for the post of GM.

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I am no fan of Avery sane or insane and Gallagher is the same kinda piece that Laps was and I couldn't stand him either I was happy when he got the ticket out of town. I am all for an instigator but I want one that will actually drop the mitts and back up his play with his fists along with scoring some goals. Avery seldome ever faught he played turtle more than anything. Marchand is another one in that mold I would hate to have that piece of garbage on our team. Get rid of the instigator rule and those guys are all gonna get rocked.
My initial thought about your knowledge of Gallaghers game stands pat.

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Why? Who's better than him at being number two ? He'd be number two on any normal team (By normal i mean not pittsburgh.)
Just off the top of my head Crosby-Malkin Staal

Give it a rest with Pleks the best #2 center in the NHL !

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02-03-2012, 12:42 PM
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My initial thought about your knowledge of Gallaghers games stands pat.



Just off the top of my head Crosby-Malkin Staal

Give it a rest with Pleks the best #2 center in the NHL !
Why is he not ?

Malkin isnt a 2nd line center
J. Staal is a second line center, is he any better than plek ? NO.

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02-03-2012, 12:44 PM
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My initial thought about your knowledge of Gallaghers games stands pat.



Just off the top of my head Crosby-Malkin Staal

Give it a rest with Pleks the best #2 center in the NHL !
Gallagher sure didn't look too great at the JR tourney he was handled pretty well by other teams like the US etc.

I do have to agree Pleks is not even close to the best #2 centre in the NHL top 15 ok yes but number 1 I think not.

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02-03-2012, 12:47 PM
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Gallagher sure didn't look too great at the JR tourney he was handled pretty well by other teams like the US etc.

I do have to agree Pleks is not even close to the best #2 centre in the NHL top 15 ok yes but number 1 I think not.
Then name 31 centers that are sure bet over Plekanec

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Gallagher sure didn't look too great at the JR tourney he was handled pretty well by other teams like the US etc.

I do have to agree Pleks is not even close to the best #2 centre in the NHL top 15 ok yes but number 1 I think not.
You are honestly basing your opinon on Brendan from his Junior tourney ?

He is the most important player with the Giants.

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02-03-2012, 12:57 PM
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I would say no for either. Does anyone remember Radulov? Ya the kid that bolted back to the KHL you know the same kid that played under Roy I say no to Grigo as he is a Roy product and a russin I want a good solid North American kid please.
Hey, time traveller from the seventies! How's it going trollin' 2012?

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02-03-2012, 01:01 PM
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So what your saying is, Trade the best number two center in the league, draft a number one centerman and make him play behind a journeyman second line center ?

1. Really ? Did you think PK was the best rookie last years ?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Plekanec. But if we can draft Grigorenko, I think it give the opportunity to make a change kinda like the Flyers did.

A. The return would be much MUCH better. (we could either land another good 1st pick, or a really good winger to play with Grigorenko or a defensemen (if markov isnt back))
B. Eller is already playing big minute vs 1st line and on the P.K (replace the defensive aspect of Plekanec)
C. Desharnais, I agree, is'nt a number 1 center. Grigorenko would need 1-2 years to devellop before becoming a number 1 center. That why I put him behind Desrhanais. Desharnais's line is already producing like 1st line. So unless thing change, I wouldnt mix up with that line.


Maybe we would struggle for another years with that line up, but I would leave with that.

No team will overypay for Eller. Plekanec would interest many playoff team, which could overpay to get him. And like I said, Desharnais is NOT a 3rd line center, and will never be. He either devellop has a 2C or borderline 1C center.


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Why? Who's better than him at being number two ? He'd be number two on any normal team (By normal i mean not pittsburgh.)
Yes he'd be two on any normal team, but to say he is the best number two center is the league ... not so sure about that.

Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Kings, Flyers, San Jose ... etc ... all say HI.

Espacially if you take into consideration Playoff play.

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Gallagher sure didn't look too great at the JR tourney he was handled pretty well by other teams like the US etc.

I do have to agree Pleks is not even close to the best #2 centre in the NHL top 15 ok yes but number 1 I think not.
HE did not look bad at all...

He wasn't super good but he looked like he belonged there without any doubt.

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02-03-2012, 01:07 PM
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Then name 31 centers that are sure bet over Plekanec

There is a difference between :

1. Plekanec is the best number 2 center in the league

2. Plekanec is in the 30th best center in the league.

MANY team DO NOT HAVE 1st line center.

SOME TEAMS DO HAVE two 1st line center. Those team wouldnt care less about how valuable you think Plekanec is.

So you can't say he is the best number 2 center in the league.

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1. Really ? Did you think PK was the best rookie last years ?

Don't get me wrong, I really like Plekanec. But if we can draft Grigorenko, I think it give the opportunity to make a change kinda like the Flyers did.

A. The return would be much MUCH better. (we could either land another good 1st pick, or a really good winger to play with Grigorenko or a defensemen (if markov isnt back))
B. Eller is already playing big minute vs 1st line and on the P.K (replace the defensive aspect of Plekanec)
C. Desharnais, I agree, is'nt a number 1 center. Grigorenko would need 1-2 years to devellop before becoming a number 1 center. That why I put him behind Desrhanais. Desharnais's line is already producing like 1st line. So unless thing change, I wouldnt mix up with that line.


Maybe we would struggle for another years with that line up, but I would leave with that.

No team will overypay for Eller. Plekanec would interest many playoff team, which could overpay to get him. And like I said, Desharnais is NOT a 3rd line center, and will never be. He either devellop has a 2C or borderline 1C center.




Yes he'd be two on any normal team, but to say he is the best number two center is the league ... not so sure about that.

Pittsburgh, Vancouver, Kings, Flyers, San Jose ... etc ... all say HI.

Espacially if you take into consideration Playoff play.

Like i said EXCEPT pittsburgh.

Is Richards really better than Plekanec ? NO
Is Kesler better than plekanaec ? Probably. But its sure not a huge gap.
Is Briere better than Plek ? Please..
I could also agree with San jose but still is it a huge upgrade ?

All in all he's one of the best in the league and u can't name 30+ centers that are clear upgrade over him.

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There is a difference between :

1. Plekanec is the best number 2 center in the league

2. Plekanec is in the 30th best center in the league.

MANY team DO NOT HAVE 1st line center.

SOME TEAMS DO HAVE two 1st line center. Those team wouldnt care less about how valuable you think Plekanec is.

So you can't say he is the best number 2 center in the league.

Technically, the top 30 centers in the league would be number on centers.


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Gallagher sure didn't look too great at the JR tourney he was handled pretty well by other teams like the US etc.

I do have to agree Pleks is not even close to the best #2 centre in the NHL top 15 ok yes but number 1 I think not.
Gallagher did fine in the wjc and stepped his game up for the semi final.

Evaluating a player on such a small sample size is absolutely ridiculous.

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HE did not look bad at all...

He wasn't super good but he looked like he belonged there without any doubt.
I never said he didn't look like he belonged there but he certainly isn't stellar and the bigger teams we played handled him pretty easily.

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02-03-2012, 01:22 PM
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Like i said EXCEPT pittsburgh.

Is Richards really better than Plekanec ? NO -
Is Kesler better than plekanaec ? Probably. But its sure not a huge gap.
Is Briere better than Plek ? Please..
I could also agree with San jose but still is it a huge upgrade ?


All in all he's one of the best in the league and u can't name 30+ centers that are clear upgrade over him.


Technically, the top 30 centers in the league would be number on centers.

1. I will say.... Playoff performance. Thanks You, case close

Oh and almost all those center (except Pavelski ... and that because Marleau is playing wing most of the time...) had at least one 30 goals season. I can't believe you said Kesler is PROBABLY better then Plekanec.... WOW. He just did a 40 goals season ... and played like A BEAST in the playoff... and he is ''probably'' better ?? He is on the same Contract and younger ...

Imigaine how valuable you think Plekanec would be if he had some 30 goals season. Plekanec is better then those defensively, I give you that ... but that doesnt make him better then them. Again, look his playoff stats the last 4 years (-1,-4,-5,-1) ouch....


2. Sadly for you, we are in the real word... and on the ice... some team do have better 2nd line center then Plekanec.

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Do you guys think we can get a 1st (10-15th pick) for Plekanec?

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For those that don't know, McGuire was mad when we picked McDonagh over Esposito.
He was also mad when we picks Fischer. Looks like he got that one right.

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Do you guys think we can get a 1st (10-15th pick) for Plekanec?
Hells ya and more.

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For those that don't know, McGuire was mad when we picked McDonagh over Esposito.
Maybe he anticipated the trade for Gomez and knew how bad that would work out.

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He was also mad when we picks Fischer. Looks like he got that one right.
He was mad when we picked Price over Brule. 2 wrongs now.

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Hells ya and more.
Would the 'more' be Nathan MacKinnon?

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He was mad when we picked Price over Brule. 2 wrongs now.
He was mad cause it wasn't what the organization needed at the time and he isn't wrong about that. It's not like he said Price sucked. With Theodore in nets and Halak already coming up the need was more of a centerman and years later we are still lacking that centerman

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Do you guys think we can get a 1st (10-15th pick) for Plekanec?

Team that would be looking at him would probably be playoff team.
I don't see a non playoff team building around him.

So their 1st pick would more likely be around 20th overall.

Jeff Carter (much better then Plekanec) = 8 overall + Voracek (7th overall)

I would Expect lower pick (16+) + young Winger/defenseman/blue chip prospect ( less valuable then Voracek was) + 3rd pick

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Yes if we have the 3rd overall pick we must do everything to land either the 1st or 2nd and swap with the other team. I want Grigorenko

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You are honestly basing your opinon on Brendan from his Junior tourney ?

He is the most important player with the Giants.
I see him as a 3rd liner at best, that's IF he sticks at the NHL.

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Yes. With development, Grigro would become our 1st big line centre, leaving Plek into a very comfy 2nd line shutdown/PK specialist and Desharnais as a perky 3rd line center/PP specialist (plus somewhat cheap).

There is no place for Eller in that sort of lineup. He deserves to be played centre, not wingman. Better trade him for a winger to complement Grigo at first, and then with Plekanek.

What is the weakness in this argument? If I wrong, do tell.
TOTALLY AGREE! That is exactly what I am saying for weeks but people here are way to high on Eller to accept that idea. Pleks would be a perfect fit on a 2nd line and Eller won't crack the top 2 line at center next year.

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