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LA Kings interested in Nikolai Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur.

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02-03-2012, 06:11 PM
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Clark Macarthur had more points last season than Brown ever has, and is on pace for more than him this season but Macarthur is worth peanuts?

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02-03-2012, 06:12 PM
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Double fail.

Neither is enough of a return for the Kings.
Then no deal, it's not like we want to deal Kulemin or MacArthur. These aren't players who are on the market, they're core pieces for the Leafs, and won't be dealt for spare parts.

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Then no deal
I'm glad we can agree on something.

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I absolutely offer Brown for a package that involves MacAruther and Kulemin. I'd add Martinez and maybe even a pick

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LA fans what do you think of this:

TO LA:
- mac or kulemin
- aulie
- 2013 2nd or 2012 3rd

TO TOR:
- d. brown

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TO LA:
- mac or kulemin

TO TOR:
- clifford
- 2012 2nd

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Settle it down folks.

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Why do Leaf fans believe Kulemin/MacArthur would be worth Dustin Brown?

Kulemin's offensive struggles and MacArthur's all around game struggles have lessened there value

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02-03-2012, 06:23 PM
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Why do Leaf fans believe Kulemin/MacArthur would be worth Dustin Brown?

Kulemin's offensive struggles and MacArthur's all around game struggles have lessened there value
What puts Brown in another league from those two exactly? And I wasn't aware Macarthur is bad defensively.

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Why do Leaf fans believe Kulemin/MacArthur would be worth Dustin Brown?

Kulemin's offensive struggles and MacArthur's all around game struggles have lessened there value
and Brown is tearing it up?

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Not good trading partners. Only way someones getting Kulemin is via overpayment or in a package deal for Richards in this case I suppose.
Why the hell would anyone overpay for Kulemin?
I feel lke I am losing my mind.

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Richards is beloved in LA. Every player's offensive numbers is stinking it up on the 30th offense in the league. Zero point zero chance Richards is moved. The same goes for Dustin Brown.
Not to mention that Richards was arguably our best forward before he sustained a concussion and he hasn't been quite the same since.

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Why the hell would anyone overpay for Kulemin?
30 goals last season and excellent defensively and young?

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TO LA:
- mac or kulemin

TO TOR:
- clifford
- 2012 2nd
This one would be more appealing to me, but I don't really see the Kings giving up 2012 picks since they already have so few. Perhaps a 2013 pick.

That said, not sure I see the complete logic from a Kings perspective. Creating a new hole (losing Clifford) and filling it, rather than filling existing holes.

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Why the hell would anyone overpay for Kulemin?
He has a rare combination of size, skill, and all-around hockey smarts. He's like a left handed Ryan Callahan (lesser player, but similar). If Burke was moving Kulemin, he'd have a TON of interest, and I believe someone would pay out the nose to get him (relative to his career/performance). Even with his offensive struggles.

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There's nothing on L.A available I would want for both Kulemin and Cmac.

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and Brown is tearing it up?
Murray's been getting him to go hard to the net again. His numbers will improve under our new coach.

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He has a rare combination of size, skill, and all-around hockey smarts. He's like a left handed Ryan Callahan (lesser player, but similar). If Burke was moving Kulemin, he'd have a TON of interest, and I believe someone would pay out the nose to get him. Even with his offensive struggles.
Just way too important to the Leafs. Really the only top 6 forward that can actually do work on the boards effectively. He is having a down year offensively but he is a very good 200 ft player.

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Murray's been getting him to go hard to the net again. His numbers will improve under our new coach.
Clark Macathur has been better than Brown the past two seasons.

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I'll play along on this one.
If I had to guess Burke would be targeting forwards in the early to mid twenties with size to solidify the bottom 6 and maybe have potential for top 6.

Problem is I don't really know much about the LA players, can a Kings fan tell me how Kyle Clifford and Trevor Lewis have been for the Kings this year? What are their strengths?

Kulemin is probably valued pretty low right not considering this year and MacArthur is doing pretty good again this year. Can't really see Burke trading either but I'm bored and want to talk some trades for fun.
All the Kings' numbers are down obviously, but both Lewis and Clifford struggled for the first half of the season taking on new roles within the club. Our bottom 6 has taken considerable hits over the past couple of seasons while we have been focusing on bolstering our top 6. Both have been turning it on though as of late.

Lewis has taken a long time to develop, but he is rock solid defensively and a great PK specialist, he has recently shown that he has good hands in shootouts/breakaways/penalty shots, but his primary asset is his speed. He is one of the best and fastest skaters on the team and can catch opponents napping. He has great energy and can play both center and right wing. He's expected to be a solid third liner with the ability to jump onto the second line for slight periods of time.

Clifford's primary asset is his grit. He is mature and plays hard, he has deceptively decent hands and shot, but isn't expected to be a big offensive producing bottom 6 like Simmonds, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him punch out numbers in the same ballpark for a couple seasons throughout his career. He has good speed and a tenacity that is not always shared by his teammates. He's willing to drop the gloves any given game, but isn't much of a fighter, more of a middle to lightweight scrapper.

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I'd rather have Kulemin than Brown. If anyone says different then please get educated about hockey.

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Just way too important to the Leafs. Really the only top 6 forward that can actually do work on the boards effectively. He is having a down year offensively but he is a very good 200 ft player.
Agree. No way Burke moves him (if he's in his right mind, which he usually is when it comes to trading).

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Why do Leaf fans believe Kulemin/MacArthur would be worth Dustin Brown?

Kulemin's offensive struggles and MacArthur's all around game struggles have lessened there value
Points per game this season...

T1. Clarke MacArthur: 0.61 (50 points in 82 games)
T1. Mike Richards: 0.61 (50 points in 82 games)
3. Dustin Brown: 0.53 (43 points in 82 games)
4. Nikolai Kulemin: 0.45 (37 points in 82 games)

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I'd rather have Kulemin than Brown. If anyone says different then please get educated about hockey.
Me too. All this "Overall" argument is hogwash. Kulemin is great overall and Brown is still only on pace for 42 points.

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Clark Macathur has been better than Brown the past two seasons.
Arguably. But I would never consider trading a stud like Brown for MacArthur.

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