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02-03-2012, 05:46 PM
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Say the Kings do get Carter... What do they do about the cap?
They would be in pretty good shape, Carter's cap hit is very reasonable. Unless you are talking about this year. His deal is prorated and there would be some salary going back the other way, he would fit, but barely. Next year he would fit in quite easily though.

Here is an example of next year's roster with both Carter and Parise I did from that last thread. Not seriously, but merely to prove that the numbers would work

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Brad Richardson ($1.175m) / Andrei Loktionov ($0.816m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.725m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.870m) / Colin Fraser ($0.900m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Vyacheslav Voinov ($0.816m)
Alec Martinez ($0.737m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.616m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jeff Zatkoff ($0.650m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,687,869; BONUSES: $342,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,612,131

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Say the Kings do get Carter... What do they do about the cap?
Oh Lord, here we go again...

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02-03-2012, 05:56 PM
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They would be in pretty good shape, Carter's cap hit is very reasonable. Unless you are talking about this year. His deal is prorated and there would be some salary going back the other way, he would fit, but barely. Next year he would fit in quite easily though.

Here is an example of next year's roster with both Carter and Parise I did from that last thread. Not seriously, but merely to prove that the numbers would work

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Brad Richardson ($1.175m) / Andrei Loktionov ($0.816m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.725m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.870m) / Colin Fraser ($0.900m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Vyacheslav Voinov ($0.816m)
Alec Martinez ($0.737m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.616m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jeff Zatkoff ($0.650m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,687,869; BONUSES: $342,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,612,131
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Oh Lord, here we go again...
All good! Curiosity settled.

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02-03-2012, 05:57 PM
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Carter AND Parise???

Now that's just crazy talk.

Fantasy hockey fo' life!


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02-03-2012, 05:58 PM
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I see what you did there...


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They would be in pretty good shape, Carter's cap hit is very reasonable. Unless you are talking about this year. His deal is prorated and there would be some salary going back the other way, he would fit, but barely. Next year he would fit in quite easily though.

Here is an example of next year's roster with both Carter and Parise I did from that last thread. Not seriously, but merely to prove that the numbers would work

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Brad Richardson ($1.175m) / Andrei Loktionov ($0.816m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.725m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.870m) / Colin Fraser ($0.900m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Vyacheslav Voinov ($0.816m)
Alec Martinez ($0.737m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.616m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jeff Zatkoff ($0.650m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,687,869; BONUSES: $342,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,612,131
get on chat !!

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02-03-2012, 06:12 PM
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They would be in pretty good shape, Carter's cap hit is very reasonable. Unless you are talking about this year. His deal is prorated and there would be some salary going back the other way, he would fit, but barely. Next year he would fit in quite easily though.

Here is an example of next year's roster with both Carter and Parise I did from that last thread. Not seriously, but merely to prove that the numbers would work

CAPGEEK.COM CAP CALCULATOR

FORWARDS
Zach Parise ($7.000m) / Anze Kopitar ($6.800m) / Dustin Brown ($3.175m)
Jeff Carter ($5.272m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Justin Williams ($3.650m)
Brad Richardson ($1.175m) / Andrei Loktionov ($0.816m) / Trevor Lewis ($0.725m)
Kyle Clifford ($0.870m) / Colin Fraser ($0.900m) / Kevin Westgarth ($0.725m)
Simon Gagne ($3.500m)

DEFENSEMEN
Jack Johnson ($4.357m) / Drew Doughty ($7.000m)
Rob Scuderi ($3.400m) / Vyacheslav Voinov ($0.816m)
Alec Martinez ($0.737m) / Matt Greene ($2.950m)
Davis Drewiske ($0.616m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Quick ($1.800m) / Jeff Zatkoff ($0.650m)

CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $64,300,000; CAP PAYROLL: $62,687,869; BONUSES: $342,500
CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $1,612,131
And the year after, when JQ wants $6+ mil and VV/Clifford need raises?

Let's just be happy with Carter

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http://iphone.tsn.ca/tsnpodcasts/Dar...ger_020312.mp3
Thanks Ziggy. I like Macarthur.

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Thanks Ziggy. I like Macarthur.
I dont know much about him. But I like his Age...

Is his salary big? Why is he struggling this year. I refuse to read any information regarding the Make Believes.

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And the year after, when JQ wants $6+ mil and VV/Clifford need raises?

Let's just be happy with Carter
If you let Scuderi and Gagne hit free agency you can afford it. Wouldn't be too hard, but your defense will obviously suffer depending on who the replacement is. All contenders eventually have to get creative with the cap. DL himself admitted that such maneuvering is easily done once the right players become available.

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Letting Scuderi walk is not a good idea.

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02-03-2012, 06:39 PM
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Mitchell should be signed to at least a 1 year deal but def. not more than 2.

No way we let scuds walk.

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Letting Scuderi walk is not a good idea.
I know, just a hypothetical and merely a tool to point out to all those that worry about the cap to relax a bit. Yeah it needs to be considered at all times moving forward, but some take it too seriously. Maneuvering around it isn't as difficult as some make it out to be.

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I know, just a hypothetical and merely a tool to point out to all those that worry about the cap to relax a bit. Yeah it needs to be considered at all times moving forward, but some take it too seriously. Maneuvering around it isn't as difficult as some make it out to be.
Try telling that Mr. Science.

I got boxes in my spreadsheet that need filling, fo!

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I think in terms of Carter... Dean Lombardi would rather Tame a Tiger than Paint Stripes on a Kitty Cat. Remember that.

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Do we really need ANOTHER natural center? I'd rather go after Kostitsyn or Kulemin than Carter. Long contract plus natural center to me is enough to want to stay away from him, not even considering his injuries.

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Jeff Carter has 4 hits in 30 games this year.



Wow, lovin that intensity.

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Jeff Carter has 4 hits in 30 games this year.



Wow, lovin that intensity.
He scores goals (like he just did in his first game back from injury)

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So he's a perfect fit to play along Dustin Brown. If you're telling me Carter can score 30-40 goals by not picking good shots sign me up please. The Kings 2nd through 4th line wingers will be lucky to have 30 goals COMBINED by the end of the year. I think the Kings would welcome his ****** shot selection.

And you say he will get 40 but at the cost of others stats. You mean Penner or Stoll won't score as much? Do you even watch the Kings? LOL
The other guy said Carter would score 40 goals for the Kings. I was saying he is a 30 goal scorer but for the sake of debate I used the 40 he said.

I also never mentioned Penner or Stoll.

I am not specifically saying Carter hurts the Kings by scoring I am saying his production doesn't add to his line by much because almost all the offense must run through him for him to put up strong numbers.

If you want to make it simple look at the players considered elite NHL snipers. Then look at there shot percentages. With the exception of Ovechkin most of these players post numerous seasons around 14% to 18%. Carter's career high is 13% and usually around 10%. Now what this means is yes Carter will score but it requires him more offensive attacks to reach the same numbers that numerous other NHL players reach in fewer attacks. Or to make it even simpler when Carter scores his line as a whole still does not score as frequently. It simply shifts the goals around on the line.

If Carter was truly an elite 40 goal scorer who didn't hurt his own line why did he lose his job in Philadelphia?
Check Carter's final games as a Flyer. Towards the end of the season Carter's ice time dropped to as low as 15 minutes some games. In the playoffs Carter averaged 15:15 minutes a game. He was a 3rd line player. Why does a team take a player who scored 36 goals that season and 46 a few seasons earlier and cut his ice time in favor of other players? If Carter was as great as people are claiming do that also believe that players like Parise, Kopitar, Stamkos, Gaborik, Toews, D. Sedin, Perry, Kessel, Malkin, etc, etc, would play the 3rd line on a Flyers team?

Or maybe Philly was just crazy? Richards is a better offensive player then Carter and if he can't help them Carter certainly can't.

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He scores goals (like he just did in his first game back from injury)
FOUR HITS IN 30 GAMES?


Kopitar scores goals and he could get 4 hits BY ACCIDENT.


I don't care if your sole purpose is to score goals. If you have 4 hits, you aren't bringing ANY kind of intensity. Sorry.

Alex Semin has 23 even...

The Sedins have 17 and 18 respectively. How do you have only 4 hits in 30 games and say you are bringing intensity every night?

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Sabres fan here, wondering about the availability of Stoll. Would something around Boyes be able to work. Maybe Gaustad and Boyes? All 3 players have expiring contracts. Boyes gives you an option on the top-6 at the wing (can play all 3 forward positions in a pinch), and Gaustad gives you a bottom six guy who can win faceoffs, kill penalties and is big and physical. Just curious, thanks

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FOUR HITS IN 30 GAMES?


Kopitar scores goals and he could get 4 hits BY ACCIDENT.


I don't care if your sole purpose is to score goals. If you have 4 hits, you aren't bringing ANY kind of intensity. Sorry.

Alex Semin has 23 even...

The Sedins have 17 and 18 respectively. How do you have only 4 hits in 30 games and say you are bringing intensity every night?
It doesn't matter that he floats, doesn't play physical, isn't clutch, and isn't a winger which we need, and doesn't make those around him better. He scored over 30 goals for an offensive-minded team several years in a row, that's all that matters. Plus his cap-hit is a steal, and he will be ours for 10 years!!


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Sabres fan here, wondering about the availability of Stoll. Would something around Boyes be able to work. Maybe Gaustad and Boyes? All 3 players have expiring contracts. Boyes gives you an option on the top-6 at the wing (can play all 3 forward positions in a pinch), and Gaustad gives you a bottom six guy who can win faceoffs, kill penalties and is big and physical. Just curious, thanks
Stoll for Gaustad straight up.

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Whatever it would cost to get Carter, how much more would you give to get Vanek instead, assuming it was possible? A first round draft pick?

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Explain to me how that works? Do you think the Kings will suddenly avg 40 shots a game with Carter? Carter will score the Kings 40 goals and no one else's numbers will dip?

I guess everyone doesn't get it but it should be common sense. With Carter in the line up when they are in the offensive zone Carter will shoot almost every time he gets the puck. Hence lowering the totals of his line mates. If his scoring percentage wasn't below average this would help the Kings but since it isn't it likely won't increase the teams offense.

The Kings are #10 in the NHL on shots on goal. The issue isn't getting pucks on net it's getting good shots on net. Carter is not a good shot player. He is exactly what they Kings are now, throw the puck at the net every possible chance and hope something good happens. Low percentage scorer.
I don't know or care how many shots they average. Carter isn't going to affect the scoring of the other Kings wingers though. He will be taking the minutes of whoever he's replacing (likely Penner and/or Stoll). Whoever is behind him will still get the same chances.

And if he lowers the numbers of his linemates, at this point i don't care. he still brings 30-40+ goals and that alone will make up for any drop he causes his linemates.

Frankly I wonder if you and SeventyX aren't the same posters. Say basically the same stuff about Carter as Flyers fans and you just joined the boards...

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i just heard on tsn that were interested in Kristian Huselius would this be a a good thing? 4.75 for the rest of the year but out with a groin pull most of this year?
I'd welcome him as a rental, but not open to signing him in the off-season unless he comes VERY cheap. If we thought Gagne was an re-injury risk...

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FWIW Dreger reporting LA has interest in:

Hemsky
Carter
Huselius
MacArthur
Kulemin
The Oilers will want way to much for Hemsky and he's not really what we need, so unless DL lowballs Tambo a bit, no thanks.

Carter, yes, for the right price.

Huselius yes, and a low cost

MacArthur, no thanks. Burke will want a lot for that guy.

Kulemin sounds like the most realistic option out of Toronto given his struggles and our need to try something else as a scoring winger. And he's an RFA after the season, so we could walk away from him if we had too.

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