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LA Kings interested in Nikolai Kulemin and Clarke MacArthur.

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02-04-2012, 02:20 PM
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Toronto fans: it has become clear to me/us that several of our players on the Kings would greatly assist your push for the playoffs.

Please. Have them.

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02-04-2012, 02:21 PM
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Oh yeah, that makes more sense.
-Top 25 NHL prospect (21 years old)
-2nd line winger (27 years old)
-Potential 2nd/3rd line winger (20 years old)
-Future #5/6 defensive defenceman (21 years old)
-1st Round pick between 14 and 20

For Kopitar.

Or should I just stop making proposals? lol... I'm not good at this, it seems.

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-Top 25 NHL prospect (21 years old)
-2nd line winger (27 years old)
-Potential 2nd/3rd line winger (20 years old)
-Future #5/6 defensive defenceman (21 years old)
-1st Round pick between 14 and 20

For Kopitar.
Just to play devil's advocate...what if we didn't want to trade Kopitar?

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02-04-2012, 02:23 PM
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thats a lot more than the kings gave up for him.
technically your correct. realisticly i dont think the kings would trade richards for a sock full of pennys

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-Top 25 NHL prospect (21 years old)
-2nd line winger (27 years old)
-Potential 2nd/3rd line winger (20 years old)
-Future #5/6 defensive defenceman (21 years old)
-1st Round pick between 14 and 20

For Kopitar.

Or should I just stop making proposals? lol... I'm not good at this, it seems.

Those are quality players you're sending back. But, it makes no sense for the Kings to do that. Leafs might even not, I'm not sure.the centers are here to stay.

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-Top 25 NHL prospect (21 years old)
-2nd line winger (27 years old)
-Potential 2nd/3rd line winger (20 years old)
-Future #5/6 defensive defenceman (21 years old)
-1st Round pick between 14 and 20

For Kopitar.

Or should I just stop making proposals? lol... I'm not good at this, it seems.
please stop.

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02-04-2012, 02:30 PM
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If Kopitar is coming to Toronto, Kessel+ goes to LA.

Why waste time on things like this?

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02-04-2012, 03:02 PM
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To Toronto:
C Anze Kopitar

To Los Angeles:
C Nazem Kadri
W Clarke MacArthur
W Jerry D'Amigo
D Korbinian Holzer
1st Round Pick (2012)
You forgot to include the kitchen sink in that deal...

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Why do I think Loktionov might be involved?

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If Kopitar is coming to Toronto, Kessel+ goes to LA.

Why waste time on things like this?
I wouldn't have a problem with it depending on the plus. Rolling with Kopitar and Grabo for our top two Centres would be boss. Lupul Kopitar Kadri.

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It seems this thread has been derailed by the people who just want to argue over ridiculous things like the Kings trading Mike Richards or Anze Kopitar.

It's not gonna happen... the reason they gave up so much for Richards is because they want to have the 1-2 punch it seems that all contenders do. They're not going to abandon that because they have trouble scoring. Rather, they're going to look at the rest of their team and ask themselves, "how do we get our offence going with Kopitar-Richards down the middle?"

That's going to mean replacing some of the underachievers, like Penner, and adding wingers to help decrease the reliance on the likes of Gagne/Brown down the depth chart.

In that context, MacArthur & Kulemin fit perfectly, and as I mentioned earlier, Brown+ is probably the deal that makes most sense. Barring the ability / willingness to move futures for a rental with their kind of offensive ability, there isn't a ton of options for the Kings, and they really can't afford to have their development set back by missing the playoffs. The problem with that option of course.... who's selling guys with the ability to score 20+ at the deadline?

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Toronto fans: it has become clear to me/us that several of our players on the Kings would greatly assist your push for the playoffs.

Please. Have them.

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The problem with that option of course.... who's selling guys with the ability to score 20+ at the deadline?
Columbus, EDM, NYI, CAR all come to mind...

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Toronto fans: it has become clear to me/us that several of our players on the Kings would greatly assist your push for the playoffs.

Please. Have them.
How kind of you

Don't worry, you've pretty much got the 7th seed locked up either way

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02-04-2012, 03:28 PM
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Columbus, EDM, NYI, CAR all come to mind...
Of course... let's look at those teams.

The only impending UFA on the Jackets is Kristian Huselius, who's played 2 games this year. Vermette is pretty valuable player for the Jackets, Umberger was just signed, and Brassard is a centre. Of course there is Jeff Carter (who's also a centre), but where's the high end asset that the Kings are going to part with to get him?

Edmonton has Ales Hemsky, who hasn't scored 20 goals in 3 years. He's also had major injury concerns. There's Ryan Smyth as well, who of course the kings just traded.

In New York, hte only guy likely to be for sale is 38 year old Brian Rolston. I'm not sure his 4 goals in 41 games is what the Kings are looking for.

Finally... looking at Carolina, where the only guy likely to be available is Tuomo Ruutu. Not only is he going to cost an arm and a leg with basically every playoff team competing for his services, but is apparently looking for $5m on a new contract. If the Kings have such a good checking game, then they probably wouldn't be the ones to pay the premium for Ruutu.

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02-04-2012, 03:32 PM
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Of course... let's look at those teams.

The only impending UFA on the Jackets is Kristian Huselius, who's played 2 games this year. Vermette is pretty valuable player for the Jackets, Umberger was just signed, and Brassard is a centre. Of course there is Jeff Carter (who's also a centre), but where's the high end asset that the Kings are going to part with to get him?

Edmonton has Ales Hemsky, who hasn't scored 20 goals in 3 years. He's also had major injury concerns. There's Ryan Smyth as well, who of course the kings just traded.

In New York, hte only guy likely to be for sale is 38 year old Brian Rolston. I'm not sure his 4 goals in 41 games is what the Kings are looking for.

Finally... looking at Carolina, where the only guy likely to be available is Tuomo Ruutu. Not only is he going to cost an arm and a leg with basically every playoff team competing for his services, but is apparently looking for $5m on a new contract. If the Kings have such a good checking game, then they probably wouldn't be the ones to pay the premium for Ruutu.
Martinez and Lotkionov are two high end assests, and depending on the return, Johnson could be thrown in there for good measure.

Bernier as well....

I understand you don't follow the team, but at least do some research before you say they don't have the high end assets to trade for a Carter etc...


As far as NYI goes, Parenteau and Okposo are expendable as well as Nielsen,

Car, the only thing they have is Ruutu, and Staal Ruutuu will probably go, and who cares what he is asking for, Johnson was rumored to be asking for 5 million as well, I believe he is at 4 million and change etc..

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If LA is interested in Kulemin thats fine.

Brown

for

Kulemin
2nd round pick

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Exactly. I just don't see a deal between the teams for Kulemin, it doesn't make sense. MacArthur, yea, that could be worked out, but why would the Leafs do it if they aren't upgrading?
Nazem Kadri.

Burke has made it no secret that if a player deserves NHL time, he will make a spot for him (also why he is looking to move a defenseman, to make a spot for Holzer). In Kadri's last stint, he showed that he was finally able to play his game effectively at the NHL level. He threw a couple big hits, showed his great creativity, and made some great plays. Unfortunately, he fell victim to the numbers game and him having a 2-way contract, got sent down.

If Burke feels that Kadri could replace MacArthur on that second line, then it might make sense to make a move. It is a big 'If' though, as 'Mac and the USSR' has incredible chemistry and a new right winger may disrupt that.

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Martinez and Lotkionov are two high end assests, and depending on the return, Johnson could be thrown in there for good measure.

Bernier as well....

I understand you don't follow the team, but at least do some research before you say they don't have the high end assets to trade for a Carter etc...


As far as NYI goes, Parenteau and Okposo are expendable as well as Nielsen,

Car, the only thing they have is Ruutu, and Staal Ruutuu will probably go, and who cares what he is asking for, Johnson was rumored to be asking for 5 million as well, I believe he is at 4 million and change etc..
Bernier and JJ are for sure high end assets. I MIGHT even give you Loktionov, but no way is Martinez. Lots of teams have 24 year old fringe 6/7 dmen. I'd say Aulie and Gardiner are both better assets for a rebuilding team than Martinez.

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Anybody think LA would do Kulemin and MacArthur for Brown, Loktionov and Clifford? I'd do that deal as a Leafs fan, and gladly throw in Kadri to grease the wheels if needed.

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If LA is interested in Kulemin thats fine.

Brown

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Kulemin
2nd round pick
No reason for LA to do that deal. These 2 teams don't make good trading partners because both are mid to late playoff teams who aren't looking for futures, aren't interested in dealing off top 6 roster guys and don't have a surplus of what the other team needs.

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If Toronto is serious about resigning Grabo, we aren't trading Kulemin.

MacArthur + Kadri + 2nd in 2012

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Brown + Clifford

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Bernier and JJ are for sure high end assets. I MIGHT even give you Loktionov, but no way is Martinez. Lots of teams have 24 year old fringe 6/7 dmen. I'd say Aulie and Gardiner are both better assets for a rebuilding team than Martinez.
Gardiner, yes, Aulie no.

Martinez isn't a fringe 6/7 Dmen, I would almost venture to say he is exactly the player Carl Gunnarson is....on rebuilding teams, let's say, like EDM and CBS, he is a top 4 D easily. On deep deep defensive teams, like LA, and CHI, he is a 6th/7th dman....

On Toronto, he would be a 5th/6th dman, rotating the way they have with Gardiner/Franson etc, and would play with injuries etc...

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Richards, 2nd 2012 for Macarthur,Kulemin, kadri, 2nd 2012?

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Richards, 2nd 2012 for Macarthur,Kulemin, kadri, 2nd 2012?

why even add 2nds? their like 2 picks apart...

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