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02-04-2012, 09:46 PM
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Ahh **** Morrrow, enough of that ****.

We need to address the D.

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02-04-2012, 09:48 PM
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Ahh **** Morrrow, enough of that ****.

We need to address the D.
Word up. I think best we can do is go after top 4 now and maybe another depth one in the off-season.

Or vise-versa.

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Cowen's fine as a top 4 defenceman. He just needs a stable presence on his right side that can cover his ass when he makes a mistake, and that's not Gonchar.

Re-sign Kuba short term and acquire a top 4 RD.

Kuba - EK
Cowen - ???
Phillips - Gonchar

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Ahh **** Morrrow, enough of that ****.

We need to address the D.
This. Can't say it enough.

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Cowen's fine as a top 4 defenceman. He just needs a stable presence on his right side that can cover his ass when he makes a mistake, and that's not Gonchar.

Re-sign Kuba short term and acquire a top 4 RD.

Kuba - EK
Cowen - ???
Phillips - Gonchar
Is Pitkanen a RD?

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02-04-2012, 09:52 PM
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Next year I want to see two top 4 defensemen signed.

Suter and/or Weber please and thank you.
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02-04-2012, 09:53 PM
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Cowen is not ready for high-end minutes, we should ease him into that role.

I don't know why but I just don't feel "safe" with Kuba.

Mitchell-Karlsson
Grossman-Gonchar
Cowen-Phillips

That looks solid, more than Kuba on that top pairing, but hey, I wouldn't be TOO opposed to the idea of bringing Kuba back for another year.
It is hard to get a top quality top 4 D-Man as UFA or trade, let alone 2 of them. You have Kuba... here.. he is easy to resign... you kind of need to do it. Look at overpayments like Buffalo for Ehroff. Kuba is here, he can likely be easily resigned. If we wait until July 1st and don't resign him, we might lose him and also lose everyone else that could help.

In a perfect world we get every defenceman we want.. but reality is not so perfect. I say resign Kuba for 2 or 3 years and then try to sign the best 2-way defensively strong defenceman we possibly can from UFA.

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02-04-2012, 10:05 PM
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To OTT:

Sam Gagner

To EDM:

Daniel Alfredsson
Craig Anderson
Alex Auld
Bobby Butler
Matt Carkner
Erik Condra
Jared Cowen
Kaspars Daugavins
Nick Foligno
Sergei Gonchar
Erik Karlsson
Zenon Konopka
Filip Kuba
Brian Lee
Milan Michalek
Chris Neil
Chris Phillips
Peter Regin
Zack Smith
Jason Spezza
Kyle Turris
Jesse Winchester


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02-05-2012, 02:18 AM
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What about getting Malone?

Edit: Errr, didn't realize he was 32.


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It is hard to get a top quality top 4 D-Man as UFA or trade, let alone 2 of them. You have Kuba... here.. he is easy to resign... you kind of need to do it. Look at overpayments like Buffalo for Ehroff. Kuba is here, he can likely be easily resigned. If we wait until July 1st and don't resign him, we might lose him and also lose everyone else that could help.

In a perfect world we get every defenceman we want.. but reality is not so perfect. I say resign Kuba for 2 or 3 years and then try to sign the best 2-way defensively strong defenceman we possibly can from UFA.
Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.

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02-05-2012, 05:24 AM
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To OTT:

Sam Gagner

To EDM:

Daniel Alfredsson
Craig Anderson
Alex Auld
Bobby Butler
Matt Carkner
Erik Condra
Jared Cowen
Kaspars Daugavins
Nick Foligno 71
Sergei Gonchar
Erik Karlsson
Zenon Konopka
Filip Kuba
Brian Lee
Milan Michalek
Chris Neil
Chris Phillips
Peter Regin
Zack Smith
Jason Spezza
Kyle Turris
Jesse Winchester
LOL...thank you for the morning laughter...awesome post.

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Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.
I think that Wiercioch has the offensive awareness but is no where near ready strength wise. He will not be able to handle anybody in the corners. He was drafted for his offensive set of skills and is progressing in that area. He tries to make basic hits but often falls or just gets skated over. He needs to increase his leg strength immensely. This is based on the play I have seen all year, not just after the injury.

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Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.
Agree 100%.

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Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.
It's a very real possibility that none of Borowiecki, Wiercioch or Gryba ever become legit top-4 D-men. None of them would come close to replacing Kuba for the rest of this season.

There will still be plenty of room on D without many D prospects to compete for the spots. Gonchar, Kuba, Phillips and Carkner are all 31+ yo and all hit UFA soon.

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Is Pitkanen a RD?
Yes. Lots of injuries and won't come for free, though.

Anyone feel like it's been jinxed by talking about pieces for the playoffs for quite some time, now?

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Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.
What about his first year with the Sens? Career high in points and assists.

Or do you mean the first in the last 3 years, not counting his first year with the team?

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Yes. Lots of injuries and won't come for free, though.

Anyone feel like it's been jinxed by talking about pieces for the playoffs for quite some time, now?
More like the avatars. They've ruined us.

Kuba will be re-signed as a stop gap until we can secure the services of a real long-term plan. Look at the UFAs this year and tell me how many are legit long term players. Then tell me how many would sign here after all the other teams that would also seek their services. It's not a very long list.

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More like the avatars. They've ruined us.

Kuba will be re-signed as a stop gap until we can secure the services of a real long-term plan. Look at the UFAs this year and tell me how many are legit long term players. Then tell me how many would sign here after all the other teams that would also seek their services. It's not a very long list.
How about the long term plan of rebuilding through the draft? Keeping Kuba only hurts this by: 1) Decreasing the amount of draft picks and 2) Pushing the team towards 9th. How do you randomly expect to "secure the services of a real long-term plan"?

Look in free agency this summer. If there 2 defensemen who can be had who would complement Karlsson and Cowen in the top 4 and make the defense look competent, then do it. If not, like you are suggesting, then go the rebuild route. These long term players you speak of must be acquired somehow; best way is through the draft.

Also, I'd rather pay Suter 2x whatever the team would give to Kuba. It's worth it.

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Kuba is 35 yrs old & his skills & speed are depreciating rapidly, he will only get worse in the next few yrs. This is the only good yr he has had in his 3 yrs in Ottawa. We are rebuilding, let's trade Kuba & stick with the plan. Boro can replace him for this yr or make a trade for a younger defenceman that will be here for 5 yrs or so to replace him or sign a young UFA this summer. There are options, hell Wiercioch may be able to replace Kuba soon & Gryba can replace Carkner soon too. We need to let young guys get their opportunities to show if they can play in this league.
1 - This is Kuba's fourth season.
2 - He did better in his first season; 71GP, 3-37-40 (this season 46GP, 4-14-18)

I agree with giving young guys opportunities, but if you honestly think our back line can consist of Wiercioch, Gryba and Boro alongside (presumably) EK, Gonchar and Cowen... Well, as far as I'm concerned we'd be going backwards, which isn't what you want.

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1 - This is Kuba's fourth season.
2 - He did better in his first season; 71GP, 3-37-40 (this season 46GP, 4-14-18)

I agree with giving young guys opportunities, but if you honestly think our back line can consist of Wiercioch, Gryba and Boro alongside (presumably) EK, Gonchar and Cowen... Well, as far as I'm concerned we'd be going backwards, which isn't what you want.
Last time I checked your ultimate goal is to win the Stanley Cup. Not to keep an expiring contact, in which there is almost a ZERO chance of re-signing just to try to sneak into the playoffs.

Kuba is replaceable. He's not this big difference maker people are making him out to be. Lee has been sitting in the press-box and can easily fit into the lineup.

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Last time I checked your ultimate goal is to win the Stanley Cup. Not to keep an expiring contact, in which there is almost a ZERO chance of re-signing just to try to sneak into the playoffs.

Kuba is replaceable. He's not this big difference maker people are making him out to be. Lee has been sitting in the press-box and can easily fit into the lineup.
Now, I love Lee like the rest of us... But he's not capable of replacing Kuba... For a start, they both play a different style and Kuba can actually put points up...

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Now, I love Lee like the rest of us... But he's not capable of replacing Kuba... For a start, they both play a different style and Kuba can actually put points up...
When did Kuba become Alfie Jr around here?

Lee can step in for Kuba. Neither is all world...if there is a drop off, it would be minimal.

Kuba = February 27 = 2nd Rounder.

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When did Kuba become Alfie Jr around here?

Lee can step in for Kuba. Neither is all world...if there is a drop off, it would be minimal.

Kuba = February 27 = 2nd Rounder.
Lol when was the last time you watched these two, if Lee was capable of replacing Kuba then he would have been in Carkners spot all season long, he cant even take Carkners spot, how do you expect him to take over a guy playing 24minutes every game against the leagues best.

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This is year 1 of a 3-4 year rebuild. Re-signing Kuba does not harm the future of this team at all, providing it's a short term deal. Kuba is the perfect compliment to EK and has played like a legit top 4 defenceman all season. You won't find many UFA defencemen that will bring what he can out there, especially when you consider how many would prefer other teams than us.

Kuba leads the team in +/- despite playing 23:31 a game. There's a reason for that...

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As Feb 27th approaches, it will become more and more clear that this team is not a contender. The team needs to continue its rebuild and plan on young players like Silfverberg and Z-Bad making the team next season.

Trade Kuba, Carkner, Konopka, Winchester (all the pending UFA's) for whatever you can get. If you can acquire a young player for the future a la Turris trade, do it...but this team should be selling as the deadline approaches.

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