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02-05-2012, 09:28 AM
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Detroit has the 6th worst PK in the league and they're the best team in the league..

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Wilson's record as a coach speaks for its self.....missed the playoffs 9 years out of 17 as a head coach thus far.

The PK is good right now, penalties are down that is coaching......however may I point out that he goal-tending has been great since the new year as well.....all good PK has great goal-tending.

Not a fan of Wilson.

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02-05-2012, 09:28 AM
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Wilson definitely deserves some kudos. A legitimate argument can be made, however, that it took until the season was almost out of control before drastic measures were taken to fix the PK and to have the team start playing responsibly on the defensive side. Going into the season it was paramount that the PK and GA in general had to be fixed and everyone knew it. It just seemed to take Wilson a little longer than most to realize it.
Don't forget how bad our PP was last year as well, we were 2nd when the PK was really bad, so that has to be considered to on the "realize" it front.

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02-05-2012, 09:29 AM
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And to use your analogy of turning the ship around, the Leafs were pretty close to becoming the Costa Concordia II.

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And to use your analogy of turning the ship around, the Leafs were pretty close to becoming the Costa Concordia II.
Deep.

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02-05-2012, 09:46 AM
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And to use your analogy of turning the ship around, the Leafs were pretty close to becoming the Costa Concordia II.
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Deep.
Apparently not deep enough.

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02-05-2012, 09:49 AM
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Wilson's record as a coach speaks for its self.....missed the playoffs 9 years out of 17 as a head coach thus far.

The PK is good right now, penalties are down that is coaching......however may I point out that he goal-tending has been great since the new year as well.....all good PK has great goal-tending.

Not a fan of Wilson.
I agree, good goaltending is imperative.

#toskala

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02-05-2012, 09:50 AM
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I still want him fired. U mad?

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02-05-2012, 09:53 AM
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I'd love it if he was fired but I do like the turnaround on the PK.

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02-05-2012, 09:56 AM
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You're right, I think Doug Wilson is a pretty good general manager. He's done pretty well for himself in San Jose.

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02-05-2012, 09:56 AM
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Team is playing the best hockey in years and people still hold onto "I want him fired". It's hilarious, seriously. People can't separate personal likeability and one solid YEAR now of great hockey. Time to update the kneejerk hatred fellas, team plays hard.

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02-05-2012, 09:57 AM
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You're right, I think Doug Wilson is a pretty good general manager. He's done pretty well for himself in San Jose.
See that little speck on your horizon, that's funny and you are here. Geez.

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02-05-2012, 10:04 AM
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I swear, when the Leafs make the play-offs, posters will still mention how long it took Wilson to get them there, if they credit him at all.

For a board full of fans that were saying they could be patient for a rebuild (when Burke came on-board), we sure are impatient for results. I've been maintaining all along that as long as this season's team does better than last season, and that team did better than the season before... (not just a little better but significantly better) then management has the team moving in the right direction.

Hate him or not, Wilson's made his mark on this team. The players work hard for him most nights. They obviously listen to him, since the PP went from bottom third to top third in one season. They've shown great improvements on the PK this last part of the season, and it's conceivable that they could rank considerably higher next season (if they keep doing what they're doing now).

Kudos for a job well done Wilson, god knows you get bashed enough when the team does poorly.

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02-05-2012, 10:09 AM
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I swear, when the Leafs make the play-offs, posters will still mention how long it took Wilson to get them there, if they credit him at all.

For a board full of fans that were saying they could be patient for a rebuild (when Burke came on-board), we sure are impatient for results. I've been maintaining all along that as long as this season's team does better than last season, and that team did better than the season before... (not just a little better but significantly better) then management has the team moving in the right direction.

Hate him or not, Wilson's made his mark on this team. The players work hard for him most nights. They obviously listen to him, since the PP went from bottom third to top third in one season. They've shown great improvements on the PK this last part of the season, and it's conceivable that they could rank considerably higher next season (if they keep doing what they're doing now).

Kudos for a job well done Wilson, god knows you get bashed enough when the team does poorly.
Look at all the bums we've discarded, you look back now and it's amazing we won any games, just a motley crew of marginal players. It's really only been the last year or two that any sane person could claim a DECENT lineup, people who pad the "four years" stuff, come the F on, our talent level was abysmal, we were tearing this team down, NOBODY is left from those crappy teams. This is a process, and what I find encouraging, no signs whatsoever he is losing the room.

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02-05-2012, 10:12 AM
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The Coach

I like what Coach Wilson has done and I can't wait to hear people put down a winning team.

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02-05-2012, 10:24 AM
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See that little speck on your horizon, that's funny and you are here. Geez.
Well we certainly can't be talking about Ron Wilson.

I think he's been subject to a significant amount of unfair criticism from fans and the media, but he's been given an unbelievable amount of slack from management. If we could find some sort of happy medium, that would be right.

But he'd still probably have been fired a year ago.

Maybe the team wasn't good enough to work his "system", but as a coach how do you not alter your approach if you KNOW the team is not responding/cannot play the system you want. He shouldn't have been so single minded.

Even now, the team isn't "good". They're merely passable. Which...is a big upgrade. I think he set the bar so low in the past couple seasons that any improvement looks monumental. I don't know who I'd hire over him. Probably not Cronin or the other guy they brought in, I'd like Eakins as an assistant though. He seems to coach a very good defensive system from the games I've seen.

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02-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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Look at all the bums we've discarded, you look back now and it's amazing we won any games, just a motley crew of marginal players. It's really only been the last year or two that any sane person could claim a DECENT lineup, people who pad the "four years" stuff, come the F on, our talent level was abysmal, we were tearing this team down, NOBODY is left from those crappy teams. This is a process, and what I find encouraging, no signs whatsoever he is losing the room.
The 2009-2010 Toronto Maple Leafs were not the least talented team in the Eastern Conference.

Although I admit this team looks vastly superior to that one, they were never THAT bad.

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02-05-2012, 10:34 AM
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praise for wilson comes with a playoff birth.

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02-05-2012, 10:35 AM
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praise for wilson comes with a playoff birth.

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Do we aim so low that "roughly in the top half of the league" is enough success to warrant praise for a coach?

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02-05-2012, 10:38 AM
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Do we aim so low that "roughly in the top half of the league" is enough success to warrant praise for a coach?
Yes, when you've missed the playoffs since the lockout, YES, success is making the playoffs. Or did you really expect us to be cup contenders already, and if so, please direct me to your musings on how we should have gotten there already?

I'd also add, PLEASE go back and look at our lineup a couple years back, if that doesn't look like juggernaut, nothing does! So much to work with for Wilson, SO, SO much, AND we had studs like Tlusty comin up too. SO deep!

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02-05-2012, 10:39 AM
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Well we certainly can't be talking about Ron Wilson.

I think he's been subject to a significant amount of unfair criticism from fans and the media, but he's been given an unbelievable amount of slack from management. If we could find some sort of happy medium, that would be right.

But he'd still probably have been fired a year ago.

Maybe the team wasn't good enough to work his "system", but as a coach how do you not alter your approach if you KNOW the team is not responding/cannot play the system you want. He shouldn't have been so single minded.

Even now, the team isn't "good". They're merely passable. Which...is a big upgrade. I think he set the bar so low in the past couple seasons that any improvement looks monumental. I don't know who I'd hire over him. Probably not Cronin or the other guy they brought in, I'd like Eakins as an assistant though. He seems to coach a very good defensive system from the games I've seen.
The standings are so close and so much parity that the difference between good and great aren't much difference.

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02-05-2012, 10:48 AM
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Do we aim so low that "roughly in the top half of the league" is enough success to warrant praise for a coach?
The first seasons were rebuild seasons (retool/rebuild/whatever label). We're finally going to see some results; making the play-offs. Going deep would be nice, but as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day. It's a process. This is just one step on the road to learning play-off success.

The coach has this young team playing hard most nights. He looks like he's a good choice for young developing players. Patience is a word that gets bandied about here often, but it's not something most posters have actually shown.

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02-05-2012, 10:49 AM
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The standings are so close and so much parity that the difference between good and great aren't much difference.
Yes, we're six points back of the defending cup champions to put the parity thing into perspective.

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02-05-2012, 10:50 AM
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I bet all these people talking about low bars, all these years, are the SAME people who demanded Burke blow it up, tear it down, when he arrived.

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02-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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Wilson will be judged at the end of the season, if the Leafs make the playoffs and if we do how the Leafs perform in the playoffs, this hasn't changed when we were slumping to when we are winning, this is fair in my mind.

The fanbase is too quick to give cred and too quick to criticize. I just had a discussion with a poster that told me Grabo was more valuable than Kessel was, fresh off his 1st star and points streak and Kessel not producing at a clip that was to earlier in the season. Now we or most know this is ridiculous as we saw last night, so best we keep an even keel and not overreact on a few games rather than judge on a whole season.

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