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02-05-2012, 01:39 PM
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Individual stas (53 games) This is the answer

PLAYER GP G A PTS +/- PIM ATOI PPG PPA SHG SHA SOG SPCT
Anze Kopitar, C 53 16 30 46 -1 8 21:49 7 11 0 2 157 10.2
Justin Williams, RW 53 10 26 36 4 30 16:51 5 7 0 0 152 6.6
Dustin Brown, RW 53 13 14 27 3 36 20:27 5 5 0 0 147 8.8
Mike Richards, C 45 14 12 26 2 52 19:05 2 6 2 0 111 12.6
Drew Doughty, D 48 4 20 24 0 48 24:52 2 10 0 0 103 3.9
Jack Johnson, D 53 8 15 23 -8 18 22:39 5 8 0 0 109 7.3
Simon Gagne, LW 34 7 10 17 -1 18 17:59 0 4 1 0 75 9.3
Jarret Stoll, C 53 5 9 14 2 44 16:55 0 3 0 0 95 5.3
Dustin Penner, LW 41 4 8 12 -5 33 15:15 1 0 0 0 71 5.6
Willie Mitchell, D 47 3 8 11 3 28 21:37 0 2 0 0 62 4.8
Slava Voynov, D 33 4 7 11 4 8 18:02 2 2 0 0 52 7.7
Kyle Clifford, LW 53 3 6 9 -6 83 8:59 0 0 0 0 52 5.8
Trent Hunter, RW 35 2 5 7 -3 6 10:19 0 1 0 0 47 4.3
Matt Greene, D 53 3 4 7 -2 24 16:56 0 0 0 0 50 6.0
Rob Scuderi, D 53 1 5 6 -3 14 20:05 0 0 0 0 35 2.9
Brad Richardson, C 44 3 2 5 -4 24 13:15 0 0 1 0 81 3.7
Colin Fraser, C 38 1 3 4 -1 45 9:47 0 0 0 0 29 3.4
Ethan Moreau, LW 28 1 3 4 -3 20 10:32 0 0 0 0 29 3.4
Andrei Loktionov, C 31 0 4 4 -2 2 12:18 0 0 0 0 50 0.0
Trevor Lewis, C 43 2 1 3 -2 11 12:12 0 0 0 0 60 3.3
Kevin Westgarth, RW 23 1 1 2 -3 34 5:23 0 0 0 0 12 8.3
Scott Parse, RW 9 2 0 2 1 14 11:17 1 0 0 0 9 22.2
Alec Martinez, D 24 2 0 2 -6 4 15:27 2 0 0 0 42 4.8
Davis Drewiske, D 7 2 0 2 0 2 12:45 0 0 0 0 9 22.2

Of players getting 10+ minutes a game (not counting defenseman) half is on pace to break 19 points. Every player that gets over 10 minutes a game has seen stints of PP time as well as top line opportunities.

Now we can blame Murray and Sutter all day but this team is void of talent. Penner was given the keys but in reality he is a marginal NHLer who has simply killed the top lines as well as the farm and cap. Lewis, Richardson, Clifford, Stoll, Hunter and for extended time Gagne, Williams and Loki simply have been down right terrible at providing anything but some hustle.

I give Kopitar and Richards a pass because they are putting the puck where it needs to be and there simply is nobody finishing, screening, and getting low for a rebound. Richards has been getting frustrated with his partners more and more lately and while some might think he's being a jer I think he's trying to lead. He has been espescially hard on Penner, at times seeing him push him down the ice to get back. Brown has been his usual solid player but he, like he always has, continues to blow gimme goals.

DL has preached that Murray was not the problem so he needs to accept the blame himself. He has not gotten the team what they eed but instead has tried to patch holes with big ticket guys with huge question marks. The style of players he has put on the ice do not compliment the man next to him and that is abad thing when their supposed sole intangable is to lift the next guy with tough, gritty play. The stats tell the tale. Watching the game furthers the point.

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I'll add that 1/7 of the total points shown were earned the first 4 games.

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It's probably not a good thing that this team is reminding me of the 1998-99 Kings. Take a look at the big drop off in goals and points after Luc Robitaille, http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/LAK/1999.html

This team is simply too good and too rich to be in the position they are in. Perhaps the reality of the matter is that they aren't as good as advertised or they are the richest group of underachievers assembled.

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02-05-2012, 03:18 PM
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It is absolutely unacceptable for the team to be dead last in offense during the sixth year of a rebuild. It's possible but very improbable that Lombardi will pull off a miracle but it's just foolish to build the future around such pipe dreams. One, two or three pieces are unlikely to affect the needed change especially now that management must fight uphill to get full value for our roster talent in trade talks.

As an example of the situation, it would be foolish to continue using the original builder when deciding what to do with a collapsed building. Now is the best time for Lombardi to go. Unfortunately, the reality is that we are probably going to go through similar rationalizations and equivocations that kept Murray around way too long.

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02-05-2012, 03:21 PM
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It's probably not a good thing that this team is reminding me of the 1998-99 Kings. Take a look at the big drop off in goals and points after Luc Robitaille, http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/LAK/1999.html

This team is simply too good and too rich to be in the position they are in. Perhaps the reality of the matter is that they aren't as good as advertised or they are the richest group of underachievers assembled.
I went with option "A" months ago....

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02-05-2012, 04:47 PM
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I went with option "A" months ago....
I'm ALMOST seeing through your glasses, but I still have a hard time believing there was THAT much of a difference between last year's team and this year's team. What accounts for the dropoff?

What scares me the most is that we've been relatively healthy.

Someone call Holloway and Moller.

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02-05-2012, 05:08 PM
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I'm ALMOST seeing through your glasses, but I still have a hard time believing there was THAT much of a difference between last year's team and this year's team. What accounts for the dropoff?

What scares me the most is that we've been relatively healthy.

Someone call Holloway and Moller.

Losing Parse AND Gagne both really did put a nasty dent in our top 6 scoring depth. But I agree with you, for the most part we haven't lost many.

Parse kind of hurt. Gagne killed.

Richards had 20 points in 24 games when Gagne was in the lineup. Since coming back and playing with Stoll and Penner he has 6 points in 21 games.

Gagne was the skill he needed.

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Losing Parse AND Gagne both really did put a nasty dent in our top 6 scoring depth. But I agree with you, for the most part we haven't lost many.

Parse kind of hurt. Gagne killed.

Richards had 20 points in 24 games when Gagne was in the lineup. Since coming back and playing with Stoll and Penner he has 6 points in 21 games.

Gagne was the skill he needed.
you realize that Gagne and Richards did not play on the same line for virtually the entire season up until Gagne got hurt, right? Take out the first two weeks of the season and Gagne has been a disastrous signing.

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We are getting better but it's obviously not enough offensively. Need to make a trade. Dump Stoll, dump Penner and dangle Bernier and see what kind of goal scorer we can get.

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We are getting better but it's obviously not enough offensively. Need to make a trade. Dump Stoll, dump Penner and dangle Bernier and see what kind of goal scorer we can get.

I'd still keep Bernier, even after Quick's fantastic season, let's see if Quick can do it again. Jus my personal take.

A decision needs to be made about Stoll and Penner and a couple of others, possibly including someone from the "core". DL should start focusing on next year's challenger, there's just too much uncertainty.

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you realize that Gagne and Richards did not play on the same line for virtually the entire season up until Gagne got hurt, right? Take out the first two weeks of the season and Gagne has been a disastrous signing.
Correct. But it's all about depth in scoring.

When Gagne was healthy, by default Brown was dropped to the 2nd line, or Williams. Which gave Richards a more skilled winger to play with.

With Gagne, and even Parse to some degree, out hurt it forces a player like Stoll, who was 3rd line all season until Gagne went down, to move up and play wing, which he has been awful at.

Remember when our 3rd line was Penner - Stoll - Williams?

That was a really nice problem to have. And our top 6 was actually somewhat productive during that stretch.

To me it's not science when you look at it this way. When Stoll and Penner were in the bottom 6...the problem was lack of production from the bottom 6. Now they are in the top 6, 2nd line to be exact...and it's "Well we have to have more then just 1 line." (our top line)

I am not laying all of this teams woes on Stoll and Penner, but where they go, has seriously dictated the production of lines and players.

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I agree this team wasn't as good as advertised, though that said I think most of us knew that from the start.

What we didn't know is this team would be THIS bad. There is not as good as advertised and then there is blatantly bad, and this team has been bad (offensively speaking). In all fairness, who here would have expected Dustin Brown to be on pace for 42 points, Richards 47 (over an 82 game season), Stoll 25 points, Penner 24 points (and just 8 goals), and Loktionov to have no goals in 31 games. Even Trevor Lewis and Brad Richardson have had brutal seasons for what was expected of them.

Telling stat #1, Davis Drewiske has the second best goals per game average on the entire Kings line up, just barely behind Mike Richards.

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I agree this team wasn't as good as advertised, though that said I think most of us knew that from the start.

What we didn't know is this team would be THIS bad. There is not as good as advertised and then there is blatantly bad, and this team has been bad (offensively speaking). In all fairness, who here would have expected Dustin Brown to be on pace for 42 points, Richards 47 (over an 82 game season), Stoll 25 points, Penner 24 points (and just 8 goals), and Loktionov to have no goals in 31 games. Even Trevor Lewis and Brad Richardson have had brutal seasons for what was expected of them.

Telling stat #1, Davis Drewiske has the second best goals per game average on the entire Kings line up, just barely behind Mike Richards.
Losing Smyth and Handzus was bigger than any King fan, including myself, thought it would be. They lost the ability to play the system they are still running. I wonder how different this season might have been in Smyth didn't pull his stunt and played on the wing with Richards or Kopitar?

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Losing Smyth and Handzus was bigger than any King fan, including myself, thought it would be. They lost the ability to play the system they are still running. I wonder how different this season might have been in Smyth didn't pull his stunt and played on the wing with Richards or Kopitar?
It's the board work that Zus, Smyth and Simmer brought that the Kings desperately miss. These guys could cycle with the best of em. Now the Kings are relying on guys like Penner, Richardson, Stoll to dig pucks out of the corner, they are just not that those type of players.

The system still needs to be changed. This team has no real identity. They are not a fast skilled team, nor are they a big bodied, grind along the board team. They are just...average. They lack the elite scoring threat the real contenders have. Vancouver, San Jose, Chicago, Detroit all have elite players that produce...

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Losing Smyth and Handzus was bigger than any King fan, including myself, thought it would be. They lost the ability to play the system they are still running. I wonder how different this season might have been in Smyth didn't pull his stunt and played on the wing with Richards or Kopitar?
100% agree. I didn't think losing Zues would have been a big issue at all. Smyth I thought would hurt a little, but figured it'd pan out given we'd make up for a lot of his offense with Gagne.

Well it's more than just the numbers with those two I've learned. I knew that before, but I vastly underestimated the impact those two have on parts of the game which have glaringly been showing up this season. It's why I've been pushing for guys like Gaustad and Moen at the deadline. I still think we need a Carter type as well, but we need that size and strength that we lost with Zues, Smyth and Simmonds.

You'd think they'd play Westgarth a bit more. He hasn't looked bad out there and he does add size and can't be much worse than some of the other plugs we've been putting out there.

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Forgot about Simmonds. I love Richards (when he's healthy) but it's pretty clear the Kings lost their sandpaper with the departure of Smyth, Handzus and Simmonds. Brown doesn't bring it every game, Clifford regressed, I think he was being counted on as being a much bigger part of the team than he has and the Kings just look like a smallish, less physical team being forced into a system for a bigger, more physical roster.

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