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02-06-2012, 02:27 PM
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Most hits... yeah... As he ever really rang the bell of anyone with his hits ?
Yea. A guy by the name of Lucic if I recall. You might have heard of him?

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02-06-2012, 02:28 PM
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Most hits... yeah... As he ever really rang the bell of anyone with his hits ?


Just some girly man named Lucic. And don't even say it doesn't count because it was ruled a penalty. That was a clean, awesome hit.

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02-06-2012, 02:31 PM
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Just some girly man named Lucic. And don't even say it doesn't count because it was ruled a penalty. That was a clean, awesome hit.
They should of fired the commentators for not knowing what a clean hit is

Lucic getting even

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02-06-2012, 03:23 PM
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He's better than a bunch of players in our bottom 9.
which ones?

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02-06-2012, 03:37 PM
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I sincerely hope they pull off the miracle and make the playoffs. I can't wait to see all these so called fans embarassed and jumping off the Habs wagon.

GO GO !!!
I guess math isn't your strong point.

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02-06-2012, 03:46 PM
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Well Stewart did break Nathan Horton jaw when they played juniors. I'd say it is at least worth a look.

Could not do worse than this joke of a "4th line" the Habs are dressing every night.
This morning three NHL forwards were placed on waivers, and are available for claim for the next 24 hours. Carolina Hurricanes have waived Anthony Stewart, Boston Bruins have done the same with Zach Hamill, while San Jose Sharks are parting company with Andrew Murray. Here’s a brief synopsis on all three:

Anthony Stewart in action against Philadelphia Flyers

Anthony Stewart is likely the most recognizable name among them. Stewart is a member of the famous NHL Entry Draft class of 2003, having been picked 25th overall by Florida Panthers, which is to say, after Marc Pouliot but before Corey Perry. He came to prominence as a member of Team Canada’s World Junior teams in 2004 and 2005, winning silver and gold medals.

There are some things to like about Stewart. The older brother of St. Louis Blues power forward Chris Stewart, Anthony is a big man, variously listed as 6’2 or 6’3 and pushing 240 pounds. He is a moderate hitter, having ranked third among Atlanta Thrashers forwards in hits a year ago, and currently ranks fifth in Carolina in much more limited ice time.

He also has a little bit of a scoring touch, having scored 14 goals and 39 points with Atlanta just last season as a third-liner with some powerplay time. In the current season the 27-year-old ranks second among Carolina forwards in even-strength points per 60, and also co-leads the team in traditional plus-minus, albeit in a much more limited role (~8 minutes per game compared to ~15 in Atlanta).

Still, he has seemingly worn out his welcome in Carolina, just as he did in Florida (who didn’t qualify their previously prized pick when he was just 24) and Atlanta/Winnipeg (who didn’t offer him a contract after that 39-point season). The Canes signed him to a two-year deal with a cap hit of just $900 K, seemingly a bargain for a player of his size, experience, and pedigree. This morning’s announcement suggests the organization now considers that acquisition a mistake.

For sure consistency appears to be a major issue. Check out Stewart’s career scoring results as a pro:

2006-07: 27 points (AHL)
2007-08: 31 points (AHL)
2008-09: 7 points (NHL)
2009-10: 31 points (AHL)
2010-11: 39 points (NHL)
2011-12: 13 points (NHL)

One of these things is not like the others. Stewart’s AHL production of <100 points in >200 GP is a particular red flag that he’s not exactly a natural scorer. He’s not a fighter either, having been involved in just two scraps in 130 GP the last two NHL seasons. He’s undoubtedly a better hockey player than, say, Darcy Hordichuk, but is unlikely to supplant such a player on an NHL roster.

That said, a big fourth-liner scoring at a 20-point pace might have some value somewhere. Teams are always looking to give large men with high draft pedigree another look, witness Stewart’s 235 NHL games with three organizations to date. Who will be the fourth?

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02-06-2012, 03:55 PM
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Go PG, pick up Stewart. Nothing to lose

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02-06-2012, 04:24 PM
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Might explain why the habs traded for Moore, Wisniewski, Nokelainen, Sopel and Mara in the last two years. Oh wait.
Moore- 2nd round pick
Wisniewski- 2nd/5th *(though he wasn't brought in as a bottom-6/bottom-pairing depth guy)
Nokelainen- Trotter/7th (call it 7th since Trotter/Stafford = AHL players)
Sopel- Maxwell/4th (call it a 4th since Dawes/Maxwell = AHL players)
Mara- 5th


so excluding Wiz (not a depth player), we have:

2nd
4th
7th
5th


for 4 players, only 1 of which could honestly be considered any better than the plethora of depth players who become available on the waiver-wire year in year out... 2 of which were no longer in the NHL a few months after we traded a 4th/5th for their "services".


give me a no-risk waiver-wire addition over dumping assets for nothing any day of the week.


with a guy like Timmins in place, you don't think that the 2nd/4th/5th/7th are of value?


only "excuse" is one of timing, but again, that's why part of what makes a good GM is foresight... the ability to see beyond what the immediate needs are, so as to avoid constantly having to "react" when needs pop up.

and don't confuse that with "never reacting"... obviously GM's need to address needs in the moment at times, but the more thought out and the better vision a GM has, the less likely he is to sqander assets, and the more likely he is to take advantage of the occasional waiver wire pick up that fits his needs.

its no small coincidence that the Red Wings have several players in their lineup that were either waiver pick ups, or guys most teams had written off, contributing in very positive ways to their perennially league-leading organization...

saavy, foresight, plan... qualities that go with Holland, not so much (or not at all) with Gauthier.

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02-06-2012, 04:27 PM
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Just some girly man named Lucic. And don't even say it doesn't count because it was ruled a penalty. That was a clean, awesome hit.
How about his hit on that smurf Mike Fisher:


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02-06-2012, 04:32 PM
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Several assets? What assets besides the 7th and trotter for nokelainen did the habs waste in filling the 4th line center positions? They signed Halpern afterwards, they didn't trade for him. Again this is an exaggeration. The other depth players assets were wasted on were Sopel and Mara after injuried decimated the defense last year, which any team in a playoff position would have traded for, especially since by the deadline the habs were 3-4 points away from the bruins. Big whoop.

Too much is made of the waiver wire issue.
I dunno... took 3 seconds to think of S.Kost for Boyd and Ellis as a monumental waste of assets (S.Kost). To think, we sent S.Kost away for 10 games from a guy who was so good he ended up in Russia, and 0 games from another guy who we just let walk to sign Auld instead.

And technically, I suppose we can say that Pyatt was brought in (with Gomez) to handle bottom line centre duties (ended up wing a lot, though), and that deal cost us Higgins, McDonagh, and Valentenko. I'd say that qualifies as wasted assets that can be tied to the acquisition(s) of 4th liners, although it wasn't just last year. Still think I could come up with plenty more examples of post-lockout asset "wasting" while addressing bottom 6 depth if I tried, but hopefully you got the point that you perhaps hadn't remembered/thought of everything.

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02-06-2012, 04:33 PM
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Stewart is a ****ing scrub. Please do not claim him off waivers.

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02-06-2012, 04:44 PM
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ditto

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How about his hit on that smurf Mike Fisher:

Or Chara. Ak is probably the only guy in our team that can knock Chara down and ive seen him do it a couple of times



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Stewart is a ****ing scrub. Please do not claim him off waivers.
ya Pierre - your just trying to get back on the team - LOL- the gentle bean with no legs

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I don't really care if the Habs claim Stewart or not but if they do and a team below them wanted him also could the Habs claim him and then trade him to that team for a pick or something?

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You can't trade waiver pickups the season you pick them up. It's to prevent exactly this scenario from happening.

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Part of the problem with picking up every player on waivers is you run out spots on your 50 man list.

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According to Sportsnet's John Shannon, you shouldn't dismiss the possibility that Rick Nash will be traded.
Shannon said he's talked to friends of Nash, who claim that the star winger is unhappy with the direction of the Blue Jackets franchise. That's not surprising seeing as, despite the optimism surrounding the team going into the season, they're dead last in the NHL. At this point, according to Shannon's sources, Nash would entertain trade offers, but he doesn't want to demand a trade. Nash has a no-movement clause, but he said back in January that he'd be willing to waive it. Blue Jackets GM Scott Howson doesn't want to comment on trade rumors, but Nash is the face of their franchise, so we can bet that Howson will be very reluctant to move him. That doesn't mean it's impossible for Nash to be traded, but a team would have to be willing to make considerable sacrifices to get him.

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Or Chara. Ak is probably the only guy in our team that can knock Chara down and ive seen him do it a couple of times





Don't forget this one. Not like the hit accomplished anything, though

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I think the habs SHOULD make a claim on stewart. He makes 900k a year...it's such a minimal risk.

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02-06-2012, 06:14 PM
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1-0 Edmonton over Toronto...

Good for the tank
Good for the Leafs playoffs chances as well

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I'm indifferent towards Stewart, wouldn't care either way whether they pick him up or not.

Zach Hamill could be a decent reclamation project, but he's not exactly ripping up the AHL, and I'm not sure what the rules are claiming a guy like him just to stick him on Hamilton. Plus we already have Leblanc and Palushaj who are both better and bigger right now.

I know nothing of Andrew Murray.

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I don't really care if the Habs claim Stewart or not but if they do and a team below them wanted him also could the Habs claim him and then trade him to that team for a pick or something?
They need to send him through waiver before trading him.
It happened to Jay leach


waiver
habs claim him
habs tried to trade him.
to complete the trade, he passed through waiver and SJ claimed him

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02-06-2012, 06:27 PM
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Moore- 2nd round pick
Wisniewski- 2nd/5th *(though he wasn't brought in as a bottom-6/bottom-pairing depth guy)
Nokelainen- Trotter/7th (call it 7th since Trotter/Stafford = AHL players)
Sopel- Maxwell/4th (call it a 4th since Dawes/Maxwell = AHL players)
Mara- 5th


so excluding Wiz (not a depth player), we have:

2nd
4th
7th
5th


for 4 players, only 1 of which could honestly be considered any better than the plethora of depth players who become available on the waiver-wire year in year out... 2 of which were no longer in the NHL a few months after we traded a 4th/5th for their "services".
All those players aside from Nokelelainen were acquires as rental players, how is that any different from any other team at the deadline taht goes and acquires depth? The habs were 4 points out of 3rd place by deadline time last year. The habs had injuries on defense and were in a good spot for the playoffs.

Also this isn't even the same issue we're talking about now, the contexts of these moves are entirely different. How many times does Dominic Moore or Wisniewski end up on waivers? Not often. Again it isn't even the issue. The whole point is that you said the habs would rather waste assets than pick up players for free which is again disingenuous given that when given the opportunity to pick up a 4th line center of waivers, the habs went and picked one up, whether it was successful or not, they attempted to pick one up. The same thing with Metropolit.

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give me a no-risk waiver-wire addition over dumping assets for nothing any day of the week.
No ****, anyone would rather pick up players for free than trade for them. With this logic we'd see almost every player get picked up off waivers, but they don't. Teams are very careful as to which players get picked up.

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with a guy like Timmins in place, you don't think that the 2nd/4th/5th/7th are of value?
Yes, but context is important. The habs were in a good spot and made depth moves like every other playoff team does at that time of year.

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only "excuse" is one of timing, but again, that's why part of what makes a good GM is foresight... the ability to see beyond what the immediate needs are, so as to avoid constantly having to "react" when needs pop up.
Losing half your defense to injuries is not something you can expect for every year. No team goes out and signs 12 nhl defensemen just incase 4 of them get injured for the season. The habs went through 11 defensemen last year.



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its no small coincidence that the Red Wings have several players in their lineup that were either waiver pick ups, or guys most teams had written off, contributing in very positive ways to their perennially league-leading organization...
The wings have one waiver pick up in their line up and it's drew miller, who was picked up off waivers in 2009, the same year the habs picked up Metropolit off of waivers.
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saavy, foresight, plan... qualities that go with Holland, not so much (or not at all) with Gauthier.
Foresight? Like the foresight Gauthier had in picking up Wisniewski months before the deadline for only a 2nd, a player who would have cost a premium considering he would have been the 2nd highest offense defenseman at the deadline after Kaberle.

I get you guys don't like Gauthier and some arguments towards him are reasonable and justified, but this is stretching now. There is no waiver pick up this year that would have been the difference between the habs being a 15th place team and an 8th place team. There is probably no waiver pick up that is the difference between the habs being a 15th place team and a 12th place team. Depth players hasn't been the habs problem this year.

Also, I don't why I keep playing this game where you slowly slowly branch out to argue the quality of every one of PGs moves. Your original point was that the habs don't pick players up for free and rather waste assets. This is a very shallow analysis given that the habs attempted to pick a player off of waivers, regardless of whether it worked or not, it shows that they aren't scared of using the waiver wire.

Again, this is totally a non-issue. If you want to talk about deadline deals, that is a different discussion. The waiver pick up of marginal players is not something I am going to worry about.

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Part of the problem with picking up every player on waivers is you run out spots on your 50 man list.
Habs will be trading players soon probably. If they trade Moen then Stewart would help ease him being gone. Stewart is no where near Moen's defensive abilities but if we can get Stewart for free and 2nd rounder for Moen it would be good.

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