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02-06-2012, 07:30 PM
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Nash's cap hit compared to his production absolutely blows. That contract sucks beyond all belief.
Amen. No thanks.

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02-06-2012, 07:34 PM
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Nash's cap hit compared to his production absolutely blows. That contract sucks beyond all belief.
If given a chance on a contender, I'd imagine that production would increas.

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02-06-2012, 07:35 PM
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They have?
07-08 60pts
08-09 53pts
09-10 56 pts
10-11 57 pts.

Not sure how that is looked at as a serious decline in numbers.
For a 1st/2nd line right wing? Yeah, that's horrible. Below 60 points 3 out of the 4 seasons, while barely scraping 50 on one of them. That sucks, thanks for proving my point. Since you went there, I guess I'll also mention the subtle decline in hits, his chronic need to always fall down on plays, get knocked off the puck, and has become far more softer in the corners this season.

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02-06-2012, 07:36 PM
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If given a chance on a contender, I'd imagine that production would increas.
I heard the same thing about Dustin Penner. Listen, some guys do well on ****** teams, not saying Nash is one of those, but I'd rather not risk it for that price.

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02-06-2012, 07:37 PM
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For a 1st/2nd line right wing? Yeah, that's horrible. Below 60 points 3 out of the 4 seasons, while barely scraping 50 on one of them. That sucks, thanks for proving my point. Since you went there, I guess I'll also mention the subtle decline in hits, his chronic need to always fall down on plays, get knocked off the puck, and has become far more softer in the corners this season.
Brown was the 14th best rw in the league, i.e. a 1st line winger. Williams was 16th, which means we have two 1st line rw's. The year before that Brown was 16th. Before that 27th. Before that 19th. Before that 39th.

So at the worst, he's a 2nd line winger.

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02-06-2012, 07:39 PM
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I heard the same thing about Dustin Penner. Listen, some guys do well on ****** teams, not saying Nash is one of those, but I'd rather not risk it for that price.
Okay, so we hang onto a broken Gagne, and ****** Penner, and a sub-par performing Williams/Brown.

So, what's the answer if not Nash? I'm talking players that are rumored to be available.

The other LA fans can applaud you all they want, but the fact remains, we can't score for ****.

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02-06-2012, 07:42 PM
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Brown was the 14th best rw in the league, i.e. a 1st line winger. Williams was 16th, which means we have two 1st line rw's. The year before that Brown was 16th. Before that 27th. Before that 19th. Before that 39th.

So at the worst, he's a 2nd line winger.
In order to get anywhere, they'll need to be better than less than the top-30 RW's. You're also giving examples where other RW's could have fallen off in production as well. That is poor example.

We need the top-6 to perform better, stats or not.

Brown 13 goals and 14 assists
Williams 10 goals and 26 assists

We're paying Williams over $4m to score roughly 15-16 goals? That's horrible.

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02-06-2012, 07:42 PM
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With Eklund being in the title of the thread, we all know entering the thread it is an eklund rumour.

We all have the choice to enter the thread at our own perill.

I share the same sentiment as you do, but as long as eklund is in the thread title I at least know what kind of rumour I am viewing.
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Okay, so we hang onto a broken Gagne, and ****** Penner, and a sub-par performing Williams/Brown.

So, what's the answer if not Nash? I'm talking players that are rumored to be available.

The other LA fans can applaud you all they want, but the fact remains, we can't score for ****.
I think your directing some anger towards me when it's completely misguided. I agree with you, I think the Kings need to do something but they definitely don't need to go and trade 1 of their 2 only productive wingers in Brown. They need to cut the fat and add to Williams and Brown.

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02-06-2012, 07:44 PM
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In order to get anywhere, they'll need to be better than less than the top-30 RW's. You're also giving examples where other RW's could have fallen off in production as well. That is poor example.

We need the top-6 to perform better, stats or not.
This doesn't make any sense to me. Bottom line is you think Brown is an under performing 1st/2nd line winger. I used the facts to prove that Brown is a consistent 1st line winger. So trading him for another one doesn't make any sense.

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02-06-2012, 07:45 PM
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If given a chance on a contender, I'd imagine that production would increas.
This might be true but probably is a ton less likely to happen on the Kings, where offensive production goes to die

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In order to get anywhere, they'll need to be better than less than the top-30 RW's. You're also giving examples where other RW's could have fallen off in production as well. That is poor example.

We need the top-6 to perform better, stats or not.

Brown 13 goals and 14 assists
Williams 10 goals and 26 assists

We're paying Williams over $4m to score roughly 15-16 goals? That's horrible.
Obviously this year is an aberration, but your advocate trading our only consistent winger for a winger that has been good on a crappy team and comes with a massive contract?

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02-06-2012, 07:46 PM
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I don't believe Nash is going to be traded. Maybe in the summer.

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02-06-2012, 07:52 PM
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For a 1st/2nd line right wing? Yeah, that's horrible. Below 60 points 3 out of the 4 seasons, while barely scraping 50 on one of them. That sucks, thanks for proving my point. Since you went there, I guess I'll also mention the subtle decline in hits, his chronic need to always fall down on plays, get knocked off the puck, and has become far more softer in the corners this season.
i don't watch many Kings games...but I thought he was on the 3rd line...

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For a 1st/2nd line right wing? Yeah, that's horrible. Below 60 points 3 out of the 4 seasons, while barely scraping 50 on one of them. That sucks, thanks for proving my point. Since you went there, I guess I'll also mention the subtle decline in hits, his chronic need to always fall down on plays, get knocked off the puck, and has become far more softer in the corners this season.
And what exactly is that point? You said his numbers have seriously declined the last few years and you were shown wrong. Does he put up the best numbers in the league? No he doesnt. He is 55+ point guy who hits a lot.

A subtle decline in hits? I dont see much of a decline there either

07-08 311 hits
08-09 285
09-10 287
10-11 300

And hes on pace for another 290 this year.

The guy his having a down year offensively, hey lets get rid of him for one bad year

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I think your directing some anger towards me when it's completely misguided. I agree with you, I think the Kings need to do something but they definitely don't need to go and trade 1 of their 2 only productive wingers in Brown. They need to cut the fat and add to Williams and Brown.
Stoll and Penner gone next year will free up 8m in cap space to get something productive with no major UFAs to sign. I honestly can see Nash being a good fit in LA but perhaps someone complimentary like a Prospal or Vermette might be a cheaper option. What about even Malone from TB for a package involving Bernier?

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So, what's the answer if not Nash? I'm talking players that are rumored to be available.

The other LA fans can applaud you all they want, but the fact remains, we can't score for ****.
Rumored to be available? This is Eklund! He has one source in Philly, and otherwise he doesn't count! How about we talk about players rumored to be on the block by guys with real sources: e.g. Carter?

Nash's cap hit is just out of whack. Plus, I can't imagine someone being traded to the Kings and increasing their production. This is a crazy idea.

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JJ+Bernier+Stoll, they can have Penner too if they wish.

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Kings are "favorites" every year, and like always, I'm not buying it.

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There is no way the Canucks are going after Nash. It's doesnt make sense at all.

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I know it's eklund....

but a man can dream about Sedin-Sedin-Nash

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Why in the world would CBJ ever deal Nash within the division...? If he did go to Chicago, I can't imagine it would be for anything less than Kane or Sharpe

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How would Vancouver afford that contract.

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Why in the world would CBJ ever deal Nash within the division...? If he did go to Chicago, I can't imagine it would be for anything less than Kane or Sharpe
Presumably massive overpayment would naturally be involved.
I was thinking Keith, myself.

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How would Vancouver afford that contract.
ballard and raymond have to come off the books then it works if you add schneider + picks for nash and sanford.... ........remember that LTIR would come into play for canucks



still dont see clb doing that...nash is their face

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