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02-06-2012, 06:47 PM
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Pre-season cash grab hurt Canadiens this season

http://www.montrealgazette.com/sport...265/story.html

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02-06-2012, 06:55 PM
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While I agree with the sentiment, it really isn't one of the major problems with the team.

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While I agree with the sentiment, it really isn't one of the major problems with the team.


Well I'd say the 1-8 start played a big part of sealing our fate.

If Habs would have gone 5-4 or 6-2 how different would it have been?

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02-06-2012, 07:09 PM
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Playing AHL or junior players vs NHL veterans during Pre-season makes no difference to profit margin. Just another article to stir the pot. The error was not playing enough veterans to create chemistry with the newcomers. The habs didn t put on the ice anything close to opening night roster till the last pre season and that was the error.

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Geoff Molson's having trouble reading this article through his hysterical laughter.

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I disagree. We didn't even ice full lineups until the end of the training camp. Half of the time we only had 5 or 6 legit NHLers in the games.

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Too small. Poor strategy to stick with puck possession for a small team that can't score. Injuries. Still have a good core to work with. I like the Cole and Bourque pickups.

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It was clear when they were doing it that it was a money grab.

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I went to a pre-season game, maybe 8 NHLers for the habs. Unless they are not practicing at all, players had a day or 2 off between games.

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Playing AHL or junior players vs NHL veterans during Pre-season makes no difference to profit margin. Just another article to stir the pot. The error was not playing enough veterans to create chemistry with the newcomers. The habs didn t put on the ice anything close to opening night roster till the last pre season and that was the error.
Did you read the article at all? Because it echoes exactly what you're saying here.

It definitely has the ring of truth to it, in any event. Brian ****ing Willsie played practically every exhibition game and hasn't seen a second of NHL icetime this year (to no one's surprise). So why the hell was he here for so long, if not to pad the roster and help us squeeze out a couple more exhibition games?

A lengthy exhibition schedule is fine, if you're icing a team that roughly resembles the one that you're going to be seeing most of the year. Like the article says, the Habs didn't do that until way too late in the preseason.

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Did you read the article at all? Because it echoes exactly what you're saying here.

It definitely has the ring of truth to it, in any event. Brian ****ing Willsie played practically every exhibition game and hasn't seen a second of NHL icetime this year (to no one's surprise). So why the hell was he here for so long, if not to pad the roster and help us squeeze out a couple more exhibition games?

A lengthy exhibition schedule is fine, if you're icing a team that roughly resembles the one that you're going to be seeing most of the year. Like the article says, the Habs didn't do that until way too late in the preseason.
Haha, yeah. Seems like many here didn't read the article or didn't understand it!

I wrote on a blog I share with friends about this exact issue at the beginning of the season. I was wondering if they really put development ahead of business in these preseason games. There are just too many games and too many players around the team.

If you want to evaluate juniors and non nhl players, the "rookie" tournament is made exactly for this. In preseason, I think you should dress your real team for fewer games, with maybe 3 or 4 players that might get the call during the season. Get the players to know each others, build something together, try to see what's missing...

Sure, it doesn't explain everything, but it's part of the whole problematic.

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02-06-2012, 08:02 PM
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I disagree. We didn't even ice full lineups until the end of the training camp. Half of the time we only had 5 or 6 legit NHLers in the games.
Compare that to the big Sabres team they iced against us in the pre-season.

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It makes a valid point.

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I said this a long time ago. Can I be a journalist ?

Others said the same/agreed. Welcome to 5 months ago.

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Seems like a bunch of people hurried to blast the article without even reading it. Seriously, the media isn't the ultimate evil, these guys make good points sometimes...

And this is a good one. There were a lot of worries by analysts early on that this bad camp could cost the Habs, and it did. By not icing a full line-up until the last game, we just didn't have as much preparation as the other teams. It also made it far harder to ease in all of our rookies, especially at D.

The early losing streak lead to the firing of Pearn, which opened the door to the firing of Martin. And also, you don't want to start your season by losing so much... It's hard to come back from behind.

They really need to rethink having so many games, but I doubt they will change anything frankly. I mean, we did start the season with a lot of money unspent, even if Markov comes back quickly. We had money to sign a decent second pairing defenseman, no doubt. That certainly made me raise an eyebrow back then. That and the firing of scouts which were not replaced makes me question how many other corners Molson's habs will cut.

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02-06-2012, 08:29 PM
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I disagree. Was it a cash grab? Perhaps, but I think it has absolutely nothing with our poor start.
People have short memories. We started the 1-5-2, but we only looked bad in one of our losses, the one versus Calgary. Otherwise, they were games that we mostly dominated and should have come out on top.
Should some of our younger players like Emelin, Diaz and Weber have played more? Absolutely. But I really don't think this is why our season is going down the drain.

I really feel that it all comes down to our PP. We went 4/39, which is actually an even worse percentage than what we have now. The PP is still a problem today, 50+ games in, so it's not something that training camp would have fixed, not if we base ourselves on what we've seen.

But generally speaking, yea, lesser games, lesser presence of AHL players, bigger focus on the actual players that will make it, would be a much better approach.

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02-06-2012, 08:38 PM
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It's funny how a practice Habs management has been doing for years gets criticized the one year we get off to a horrible start.

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Correct me if I m wrong but are players paid for the pre season games. If not it wouldn t matter wether a regular NHL played or a rookie.

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02-06-2012, 09:40 PM
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It was clear when they were doing it that it was a money grab.
Is this a new strategy?

5 sold out pre season games at full price,makes up for missed playoffs.lol

Would be like getting swept rd1 playoffs.



So Habs make playoff every yr....even this year.


I'm using 5 pre season games sold out at reg season prices ,is equal to 2 or 2.5 playoff games...(revenue)


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Correct me if I m wrong but are players paid for the pre season games. If not it wouldn t matter wether a regular NHL played or a rookie.
Dude, you really don't get it. It's not that they have to pay rookies less. As the article says, there's so many games that they're forced to resort to essentially having two teams' worth of players. That means that the real team doesn't get to practice together enough.

It's a cash grab because other teams have less home games in the preseason. Games that should be played in other stadiums are instead played in Montréal since more people will come, and Montréal splits some of the profits with the other team. This is what causes these scheduling issues.

They were doing the same thing in the past but it was especially bad this year, They only got to play together once. I'm pretty sure the real team played more than once last year.

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Every pre-season is a blatant cash-grab for the Habs. This year was particularly obvious. I think there was a game against the Sabres where they iced a full line-up with 3 junior players and we had 4 or 5 vets with the rest being players destined for the minors.
Hopefully as of next year, the team puts winning hockey games first and everything else second. I'm delusional, I know...

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Ridiculous premise. Ridiculous article.

The team had 8/9 players in their top 9 returning from last season.

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This team has had 9 preseason games every year for as long as I can remember, how come it is only a problem now?

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That was a worthless article.

Just another guy trying to be "the" expert who figure out where it all went wrong.

The truth is the team was thought to be a 8 to 10 place team at the beginning of the year, and current they are 14th, 5 points behind where they were projected to be. If the PP specialists we have were either not injured (Markov), or did their job (Cammy, Kaberlae, Campoli, Weber) then the Habs may have 5 more points in the bank.... and they would be right where they projected.

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