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02-06-2012, 03:23 PM
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No way Bickel sticks. I'm not sure Torts likes the guy. He's been benched a few periods and we even witnessed Torts not being pleased with him. He seems to lack maturity. If they absolutely have to I bet the Rangers put him on waivers/ give him away for nothing.
After the game, Torts said he gave Bickel "high marks" for his game yesterday. I've heard him praise him before. I do think he likes the kid. If he didn't, Woywitka would have been playing instead, or we would see Brendan Bell getting a chance.

I don't think he trusts Bickel defensively at this point, which is why we don't see much of him in the third period or OT.

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02-06-2012, 03:32 PM
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his penalties were stupid. there are PLENTY of physical defenseman out there that don't take idiotic penalties like he did.
His penalties were never an issue until yesterday

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02-06-2012, 03:45 PM
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His penalties were never an issue until yesterday
don't disagree, which is why my assessment is only on yesterdays game. i just find it odd people thought he played well when I thought he played terrible.

my overall impressions of him are, i think hes a good reserve defenseman that can be used to sit someone who isn't playing well at the moment.

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02-06-2012, 03:52 PM
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I actually think Bickell has a decent NHL future. Reminds me a lot of Deryk Engelland. Sort of a journeyman type that plays hard every shift and gives the team much needed grit on the blue line. I don't think he'll ever be a top-4 guy, but he's already a serviceable #7. Needs to work on his decision making with the puck, but if the Rangers didn't see him as a solid player they wouldn't be concerned about losing him on waivers.

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02-06-2012, 04:03 PM
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he sort of reminded me of jay Wells.

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02-06-2012, 04:20 PM
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What's funny is you guys are arguing about the same guy..

Eminger takes his fair share of not-so-smart penalties as well.

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02-06-2012, 05:01 PM
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Eminger can't or doesn't fight...not the same player at all .

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02-06-2012, 05:29 PM
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Eminger can't or doesn't fight...not the same player at all .
If Steve Eminger passes up on a fight, does it impact whether Hank stands on his head, Gabby rips one, or the fact that Dubi is still in a slump, and Christensen is gone?!

Big picture thinking, now, they are both serviceable bottom pairing or extra defensemen.

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02-06-2012, 07:52 PM
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I'll be curious to see Eminger's ice time in the 3rd/OT when he gets back into game shape. Having the 6th D that can be trusted to play decent minutes in the third (instead of riding pine like Bickel) will be a huge advantage as the season winds down.

Girardi & McDonagh will be dead by the time the playoffs roll around if we're still rolling only 4 or 5 D for the last twenty+ minutes every game. Eminger isn't quite as tough as Bickel, but he's less of a defensive liability.

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really lit the game up.

interesting opinion. One Torts seems to share with you guys.

Personally i thought he was AWFUL. Sure, he had 2 fights. he also had a few giveaways, took several undisciplined penalties which allowed Philly to stay in the game, and killed our momentum.

Since when does 2 fights take away from stupid penalties and medicore in zone play.

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This is my thinking too. He's slow. He's poor defensively. He's horrible with the puck. He takes bad penalties. I don't give a **** if he's tough. Eminger and Sauer are tough too and they can actually play hockey.

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This is my thinking too. He's slow. He's poor defensively. He's horrible with the puck. He takes bad penalties. I don't give a **** if he's tough. Eminger and Sauer are tough too and they can actually play hockey.
His speed has not been an issue at all. And he need not be a master with the puck to get it out of the zone, which he does. Giveaways is not his forte. The game against the Flyers aside, when did he take bad penalties? How has his defensive game been a detriment to the team? let's not forget that Eminger, and I am not saying he is worse, is essentially a border line 6/7 defenseman as well. Let's not make him out to be Scott Stevens here. Do you think that Eminger could have had the same impact on Sunday's game?

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02-07-2012, 08:31 AM
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His speed has not been an issue at all. And he need not be a master with the puck to get it out of the zone, which he does. Giveaways is not his forte. The game against the Flyers aside, when did he take bad penalties? How has his defensive game been a detriment to the team? let's not forget that Eminger, and I am not saying he is worse, is essentially a border line 6/7 defenseman as well. Let's not make him out to be Scott Stevens here. Do you think that Eminger could have had the same impact on Sunday's game?
Its been a detriment to the team because Torts doesnt trust him enough out there in tight games and hes only getting 6+ minutes a game. Eminger atleast was playing 12-15 minutes a night.

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Its been a detriment to the team because Torts doesnt trust him enough out there in tight games and hes only getting 6+ minutes a game. Eminger atleast was playing 12-15 minutes a night.
Eminger's 12 minutes does not make that much of a difference. And Bickel can be developed. So far, it is not like he has been on the ice for an avalance of goals agains.

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Eminger's 12 minutes does not make that much of a difference. And Bickel can be developed. So far, it is not like he has been on the ice for an avalance of goals agains.
His 12 minutes gives McD and Girardi more rest.

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Its been a detriment to the team because Torts doesnt trust him enough out there in tight games
Or are their better options? I don't think opting to play Girardi, Staal and McDonagh over Eminger is an indication of lack of trust or the fact that Torts has better options.

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02-07-2012, 09:58 AM
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I kind of like Bickel in the rough and tumble divisional games. Sure, hes not trusted to play more than 7 minutes a night (or any shifts in the 3rd, really), but those handful of games is where our top 3 guys can approach 30 mins. The fact that concerns me is thats been happening in nearly every game.

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Or are their better options? I don't think opting to play Girardi, Staal and McDonagh over Eminger is an indication of lack of trust or the fact that Torts has better options.
I was talking about Bickel. When Torts basically goes with 5 defensmen in the 3rd period of tight games I think it says he doesnt trust him to be out there.

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he sort of reminded me of jay Wells.
I could see that.

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I was talking about Bickel. When Torts basically goes with 5 defensmen in the 3rd period of tight games I think it says he doesnt trust him to be out there.
Same holds true.

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Im shocked At the Eminger love . He was a spare part last year and sat eventually to perennial whipping boy Gilroy . He can't stay on his skates and besides playing a Garnet Exelby banging game does little else . He is as much if a 6 /7 d man as Stu

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Im shocked At the Eminger love . He was a spare part last year and sat eventually to perennial whipping boy Gilroy . He can't stay on his skates and besides playing a Garnet Exelby banging game does little else . He is as much if a 6 /7 d man as Stu
he also stepped up when staal was hurt and played 25 minutes a night like a ****in champ

Also, Gilroy's insertion into the lineup had significantly more to do with what he brings offensively than what Emminger didnt bring defensively

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02-07-2012, 11:02 AM
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Im shocked At the Eminger love . He was a spare part last year and sat eventually to perennial whipping boy Gilroy . He can't stay on his skates and besides playing a Garnet Exelby banging game does little else . He is as much if a 6 /7 d man as Stu
Hes better than Bickel which is all i'm saying. If Sauer comes back he'll be the first one out of the lineup and back to being the #7 guy. Unfortunately I dont see Sauer coming back anytime soon. Eminger is fine as the #6 for now.

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When Sauer was in the lineup, Eminger was only getting 11-14 minutes per night playing with Woywitka. When Sauer got hurt, Eminger was getting 16-20 minutes playing with DelZotto. The problem with Eminger is that he's not good enough to be the stronger defenseman on a pair for over 15 minutes per night. However, that's no longer the scenario here. Unlike when Sauer was healthy earlier in the year, there isn't a pair that you would put Eminger on where he wouldn't be with a stronger D. When he comes back, I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting 15-18 minutes a night, which is 9-10 more than Bickel gets, which is 9-10 more minutes of rest you can spread out among the top 4. (being McDonagh, Girardi, Staal and DelZotto)

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Eminger returning is gonna be huge when McD/Girardi are closer to 25 minutes than 30. Torts isn't afraid to play him decent minutes, unlike Bickel, who he relegates to the bench in the third period.

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When Sauer was in the lineup, Eminger was only getting 11-14 minutes per night playing with Woywitka. When Sauer got hurt, Eminger was getting 16-20 minutes playing with DelZotto. The problem with Eminger is that he's not good enough to be the stronger defenseman on a pair for over 15 minutes per night. However, that's no longer the scenario here. Unlike when Sauer was healthy earlier in the year, there isn't a pair that you would put Eminger on where he wouldn't be with a stronger D. When he comes back, I wouldn't be surprised to see him getting 15-18 minutes a night, which is 9-10 more than Bickel gets, which is 9-10 more minutes of rest you can spread out among the top 4. (being McDonagh, Girardi, Staal and DelZotto)
Hes definitely not gonna be getting more than 15 and I would be surprised if he got that much. He was getting around 13 before he got hurt and thats probably what he'll get when he comes back.

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