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02-07-2012, 12:05 PM
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Wow. The kings always seem to be involved in every big name trade rumor.
They've been in the market for a marquee forward for a while, so the media always assumes once any name that comes close appears, we are frontrunners to landing such a player, when we are likely not

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02-07-2012, 12:10 PM
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Just for kicks though...


Nash
Sanford


Luongo
Raymond
Schroeder
1st rounder

Enough value from Vancouver? Depends on how you view Luongo's value but both contracts are lengthy and pricey.
+?
And somehow, someone manages to post something even more ridiculous than the average Eklund rumor in an Eklund thread.

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02-07-2012, 12:11 PM
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02-07-2012, 12:27 PM
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Hossa is light years ahead of Nash IMO as a hockey player

Sharp is better all around player
Avg Points Per Game (Career)
Hossa: .93
Nash: .81
Sharp: .66

Keep in mind Nash has done it with considerably less help.

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02-07-2012, 12:27 PM
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I don't like Nash with his Cap hit, however if I'm able to move Ballard and Raymond in that deal to make room, that's a deal I do any day of the week. Raymond is not even close to producing like a 2.5m player. Ballard is not worth the 4.2. Between the two of them thats 6.7 and with the Million we have in cap space we have enough. Throw in Malholtra who's already played in Columbus to free up another 2.5 million in cap space for another dman who can move up to a top4 if Salo gets injured.

Nash >>>>>> Ballard + Raymond and it's not even close. I think Nash is worth more for his cap hit than Ballard and Raymond are for theirs because of there they play in the lineup (IE: Ballard would be a better cap hit if he was playing on a defense where he was in the top4... not sitting in the pressbox half the time). Ballard would be worth more the Columbus for 4.2 than he would be for Vancouver.

To Vancouver:
Nash

To Columbus:
Ballard
Raymond
Malholtra
1st

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Nash
Higgins - Hodgson - Hansen
Weiss - Lapierre - Bitz


Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Tanev - (2.5m dman)
Rome
Alberts

Luongo
Schneider


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02-07-2012, 12:38 PM
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I don't like Nash with his Cap hit, however if I'm able to move Ballard and Raymond in that deal to make room, that's a deal I do any day of the week. Raymond is not even close to producing like a 2.5m player. Ballard is not worth the 4.2. Between the two of them thats 6.7 and with the Million we have in cap space we have enough. Throw in Malholtra who's already played in Columbus to free up another 2.5 million in cap space for another dman who can move up to a top4 if Salo gets injured.

Nash >>>>>> Ballard + Raymond and it's not even close. I think Nash is worth more for his cap hit than Ballard and Raymond are for theirs.

To Vancouver:
Nash

To Columbus:
Ballard
Raymond
Malholtra
1st

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Nash
Higgins - Hodgson - Hansen
Weiss - Lapierre - Bitz


Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Tanev - (2.5m dman)
Rome
Alberts

Luongo
Schneider
If Howson is offered this trade with a gun to his head, he says "I'll take the bullet please."

As a Canucks fan, Nash's cap hit just doesn't work for this team regardless of how scary he would be on the wing with the Sedins.

If it were to happen, which it won't, Schneider would absolutely have to be in the deal.

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02-07-2012, 12:47 PM
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Wow. The kings always seem to be involved in every big name trade rumor.
it's annoying. If the asking price for Nash is Brown, Johnson and 2 prospects/picks. Uh, no thanks.

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02-07-2012, 12:57 PM
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Nash gets 7.8 through 2018. He's good but combine that contract with Lou's and the Canucks will be worse off starting next year. Whatever's going the other way this is a bad trade for Vancouver.

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If Nash could return Brown and JJ alone I would be ecstatic, but throw in a first also? Hell yeah....Wanna talk about a culture change? Brown and JJ could instantly bring that to Columbus, especially Brown.

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02-07-2012, 01:04 PM
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All four teams have the assets required, but are they willing to part with them? I dunno if I can see the Canucks parting with Hodgson+, for example.


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02-07-2012, 01:05 PM
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That makes no sense

Sharp and Hossa are better players then Nash

For either it would be Nash + 1st at least coming Hawks way
No way. CBJ wont give up their franchise player for anything reasonable

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The teams you're listing can't spend anywhere close to the cap.
Nashville has said they're willing to spend to the cap.

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02-07-2012, 02:06 PM
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Wow. The kings always seem to be involved in every big name trade rumor.
So they are the new leafs?

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02-07-2012, 02:06 PM
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Avg Points Per Game (Career)
Hossa: .93
Nash: .81
Sharp: .66

Keep in mind Nash has done it with considerably less help.
Nash also isn't the insane back checker and defensive player Hossa is either. He's not bad but he's not a demon like Hossa is.

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02-07-2012, 02:08 PM
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Every single Eklund rumor is greeted with this exact post. It's honestly annoying, and I think the mods should start treating it as trolling/spamming.

All four teams have the assets required, but are they willing to part with them? I dunno if I can see the Canucks parting with Hodgson+, for example.
Exactly,why do you want to gut your team to get a player who can’t even get to a PPG and is being paid more than anyone on your team currently. Huge cap hit plus you don’t know if will be the same player or not.
And if your window to the win the Cup is now, like it is with the Hawks and Canucks, you don’t make this deal at all. If he was 5 million, then sure I would see what can be done, but at 7.8, hell no. Like I said before, I hate the Hawks, but to give up Nash for any of the core, it would be a bad deal for them.
He is a big man, but does not play like a big man. I would rather take a player like (cant believe I am saying this) Marchand .
You need the sandpaper on your team to supplement your top 2 lines. That’s what Bolland brings to the Hawks, and to a certain extent Lapierre brings. If he is paired with the twins, would he bring the same intensity that Burrows does?

It is too bad he signed such a bad deal. And too bad that CBJ did not build the team around him properly. Wasted talent on a team with inept management.

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I don't like Nash with his Cap hit, however if I'm able to move Ballard and Raymond in that deal to make room, that's a deal I do any day of the week. Raymond is not even close to producing like a 2.5m player. Ballard is not worth the 4.2. Between the two of them thats 6.7 and with the Million we have in cap space we have enough. Throw in Malholtra who's already played in Columbus to free up another 2.5 million in cap space for another dman who can move up to a top4 if Salo gets injured.

Nash >>>>>> Ballard + Raymond and it's not even close. I think Nash is worth more for his cap hit than Ballard and Raymond are for theirs because of there they play in the lineup (IE: Ballard would be a better cap hit if he was playing on a defense where he was in the top4... not sitting in the pressbox half the time). Ballard would be worth more the Columbus for 4.2 than he would be for Vancouver.

To Vancouver:
Nash

To Columbus:
Ballard
Raymond
Malholtra
1st

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Nash
Higgins - Hodgson - Hansen
Weiss - Lapierre - Bitz


Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Salo
Tanev - (2.5m dman)
Rome
Alberts

Luongo
Schneider
Terrible deal for Columbus. They could get a lot more for Nash and better parts.

You want Nash, better start thinking about giving up a piece or two you actually don't really want to.

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02-07-2012, 02:17 PM
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Terrible deal for Columbus. They could get a lot more for Nash and better parts.

You want Nash, better start thinking about giving up a piece or two you actually don't really want to.
Exactly.

If you're a Vancouver fan, think pieces like: Hodgson or Schneider ++

If you're a Leafs fan, think pieces like: Kadri, Schenn, Colborne, or Gardiner +++

If you're a Kings fan, think pieces like: Loktionov, Johnson, Bernier, Voynov, +++

etc,etc

Ballard? Raymond? MacArthur? Connolly? etc. Really? Those are your centrepieces in a deal going back for Nash? Think harder people.

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Avg Points Per Game (Career)
Hossa: .93
Nash: .81
Sharp: .66

Keep in mind Nash has done it with considerably less help.
If you're going to pretend like career points per game actually matter

Then we could compare Nash to Kesler's career PPG of .61, or Henrik's and Daniel's .84. Oh, looks like Nash is way better than Kesler, and about on par with the Sedins. Keep in mind Nash has done it with considerably less help.

Career PPG is useless.


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If you're going to pretend like career points per game actually matter

Then we could compare Nash to Kesler's career PPG of .61, or Henrik's and Daniel's .84. Oh, looks like Nash is way better than Kesler, and about on par with the Sedins. Keep in mind Nash has done it with considerably less help.

Career PPG is useless.
I know you are being sarcastic (and I agree completely with your point) but there are probably people out there who actually believe that.

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MacArthur (3.25)
Aulie (0.733)
Rynnas (1.95)
Draft Pick

For

Nash(7.8)

I have a feeling Nash is the new Phaneuf. Overpaid, but just needs a change in scenery
...yeah, no, not really. Aulie is intriguing, but we really need "now" defensemen if we're going to give up Nash.

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...yeah, no, not really. Aulie is intriguing, but we really need "now" defensemen if we're going to give up Nash.
What is Columbus looking for in a defenseman? A guy like stay at home guy like Schenn? Could a deal be made based around Schenn +picks and prospects for Nash?

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What is Columbus looking for in a defenseman? A guy like stay at home guy like Schenn? Could a deal be made based around Schenn +picks and prospects for Nash?
Don't think that's anywhere close really.

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Don't think that's anywhere close really.
Without even knowing the picks/prospects? So Schenn, Kadri, Colborne and a first round pick (probably around 15-20th overall) wouldn't get them talking? Not that I would even do that for one player from the Leafs perspective, just wondering.

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Without even knowing the picks/prospects? So Schenn, Kadri, Colborne and a first round pick (probably around 15-20th overall) wouldn't get them talking? Not that I would even do that for one player from the Leafs perspective, just wondering.
Perhaps. But why didn't you list out said prospects to begin with...?

Regardless, do you think that trumps a hypothetical package of Bernier + J Johnson + prospect(s)? Doubtful based on CBJ's needs.

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