Was just thinking the other day, a wiki-type system for all the ATD bios would not only help the draft, but be a great hockey resource for anyone interested in the history of the game. Like, not only have the standard player stats and all that stuff like wikipedia has, but to also have sections for quotes, newspaper articles, links, new/crazy stat adjustments, etc. Could also have dedicated pages to certain stat systems (Defenseman scoring vs. #2, with and without outliers removed, etc).
I really think that the ATD may be the greatest collection of hockey knowledge on the internet. I mean, who else has a reason to scour Globe and Mail articles from 1920 to try and find quotes about someone backchecking? I think all this knowledge could be put somewhere that's central and easy to access for everyone.
I have no idea how to go about doing that, but I just thought I'd throw it out there before I forget.
It certainly goes in line with our united-bio thinking. Having an easy place where you could just add to a profile or event easily as you uncover information would be great, as opposed to the clunkiness of adding and expanding on old bios while keeping all their information.
I don't know; would it be possible to get our own wiki? I'm not sure how the sub-wikis (for TV shows, book series, and the like) work.
We tried a few time to start this kind of project, but it never went really far. As always, I would be ready to participate, but not as one of the leaders of the project.
One idea would be to have a ATD facebook as a sort of ''meet place'' in case of emergency.
I wouldn't want the ATD to stop just like that.
This isn't the greatest idea, but it's free.
Of course someone could start a website where everybody could post and edit the bios , but I personally don't know how to do that at all.I would be willing to help though. (if what I just said is against hfboards rules , plz tell me so and I will delete it )
I have the links to almost every bio in the past two ATDs saved into an excel folder. When we wrap this draft up with a third set of links I feel it'd give us a pretty decent base. Also as things slow down I'll make sure to look through older ATDs but I'm not sure the bio threads were used by everyone then.
If we just list the duplicate bios together like VR suggested we'd be able to compile everything into one all-purpose thread. I did the annoying part already copying the links so I don't mind posting it up after this draft concludes and we could just group them the way VI initially suggested with chronological groups sorted alphabetically. I know this isn't quite the idea you had in mind arrbez but I can't claim to have any idea how you create your own wiki.
We tried a few time to start this kind of project, but it never went really far. As always, I would be ready to participate, but not as one of the leaders of the project.
Same here.
The barrier to doing something like this is getting it started. Once that happens, I'm sure a lot of us will contribute.
I really think that the ATD may be the greatest collection of hockey knowledge on the internet.
You're damn right it is.
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It certainly goes in line with our united-bio thinking. Having an easy place where you could just add to a profile or event easily as you uncover information would be great, as opposed to the clunkiness of adding and expanding on old bios while keeping all their information.
I think those of us who hold the draft close to our hearts want something like this to happen. It's just a question of exactly what, and then how.
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I don't know; would it be possible to get our own wiki? I'm not sure how the sub-wikis (for TV shows, book series, and the like) work.
next question, for the lawyers - are our bios currently infringing on any copyright? Or do we get some sort of academic license to use the data we are using for educational purposes? Does citing our sources cover our butts there?
Second question - If we are currently in a copyright gray area with all the pasting and dictating of printed materials going on, if we consolidate it all into one place with grandiose intentions to eventually cover every player with dozens of sources, does that just put a massive target on us?
I'm not worried about getting sued or anything. I doubt anyone would care enough. But if this is quasi-legal, I bet someone would care enough to at least have our wiki taken down, and I hate the idea of doing a bunch of work for nothing.
I think velo wants to become one but is not one yet.
franckly , I'm personally starting to believe calling retired players and ask them if they could answers a couple of questions directly wouldn't be as hard as we imagine it to be.I'm sure I could easily go see Guy Lafleur at his restaurent and ask him couple of questions of my choices , then ask him if I could quote him on my history project and he would say: ''sure no problem''.
that way , as knowledgable as we are , we wouldn't ask pointless question that have been asked a million times and just the questions we think are unanswered.We also would have the right to do that since it's directly our source.(of course we couldnt do it for everybody but maybe a couple of great quote would be nice for our project)
I simply googled making a wiki and all you have to do is make an account and wiki with a particular name and you're good to go. It's free and they don't remove it after x time or anything like that and you can set it so only certain users can edit it. Sounds pretty perfect for our purposes and if started could be easy for everyone to add to as they feel like it.
But 70s you bring up a great point, I really have no idea how the copyright would work and there'd be no reason to put the time into this unless it was a sure thing.
next question, for the lawyers - are our bios currently infringing on any copyright? Or do we get some sort of academic license to use the data we are using for educational purposes? Does citing our sources cover our butts there?
Second question - If we are currently in a copyright gray area with all the pasting and dictating of printed materials going on, if we consolidate it all into one place with grandiose intentions to eventually cover every player with dozens of sources, does that just put a massive target on us?
I'm not worried about getting sued or anything. I doubt anyone would care enough. But if this is quasi-legal, I bet someone would care enough to at least have our wiki taken down, and I hate the idea of doing a bunch of work for nothing.
Are there any differences between ATD bio and normal Wiki bio, since you have to quote copyright sources for the later too.
You're allowed to quote several paragraphs of text from a single source, as long as you provide commentary.
I'm not an expert on copyright, but I do think we could get into a problem if we quote pages and pages from a single book, even if it's split up among several profiles.
The best way to do this (which would also require the most work) is to do it like the recent wikipedia articles on players like Jack Stewart and Butch Bouchard. Detailed paraphrasing of original source material, and make sure to list your citation. It has the added benefit of being much easier to read that 50 quotes all saying the same thing (you can still have 50 cites at the bottom of the page).
You're allowed to quote several paragraphs of text from a single source, as long as you provide commentary.
I'm not an expert on copyright, but I do think we could get into a problem if we quote pages and pages from a single book, even if it's split up among several profiles.
The best way to do this (which would also require the most work) is to do it like the recent wikipedia articles on players like Jack Stewart and Butch Bouchard. Detailed paraphrasing of original source material, and make sure to list your citation. It has the added benefit of being much easier to read that 50 quotes all saying the same thing (you can still have 50 cites at the bottom of the page).
So basically edit the Wikipedia articles from every player and make them appear like a Pelletier bio for every player? With in depth stats? Doesn't sound like a half bad idea.
So basically edit the Wikipedia articles from every player and make them appear like a Pelletier bio for every player? With in depth stats? Doesn't sound like a half bad idea.
With more citations, of course.
Also, I would presume direct newspaper quotes/articles would be fine if fully cited? As long as they are publically available anyway?
You're allowed to quote several paragraphs of text from a single source, as long as you provide commentary.
I'm not an expert on copyright, but I do think we could get into a problem if we quote pages and pages from a single book, even if it's split up among several profiles.
Agreed. My dad has published a couple history books and his publisher said 3 paragraphs at one time (or one quote) are the limit as long as you provide commentary.
